Hey gang. What do you all feel of the chances of the gtr motor going in a future z model?

I was so gung ho on the gtr, but the lack of manual tran, less than svelte weight and appearance have me hoping they throw the engine in an updated version of the Z RWD!

With the effort put into that engine, they should be putting into at leat one more model right? God I hope so!


Discuss

 

thats like saying just because the rb26dett was a good motor in the skyline gtr nissan would also take the rb26dett and put it in the silvia or z32. they will probally not put that motor in any other car. but im sure there will be a shop doing it

 

^ I don't know, Nissan isn't what it used to be in the 90's; their manufacturing strategy ever since Ghosn became CEO has been making something good and sharing it with as many models as possible to save cost, i.e, the VQ engine in the Z, G, FX, Murano, path finder, Maxima, Altima.... and it's obviously working.

With search and development cost already spent on the GTR engine, it would cost them very little to put a detuned version of that 3.8TT in a high-performance Z model, like a track or top-of-the-line model. I'm sure they can find a way to price it at somewhere around $50k, and I bet those who bought the nismo Z or who are buying a Porsche Cayman/boxter would consider this TT Z -- priced as a porsche cayman, performs equal or a little better than a base 911. That would be something exciting

Once the ball is rolling, take that detuned 3.8TT engine and put it in the FX, M, or G as high-performance versions of the current model, the way BMW has its M line, Mercedes with AMG, or lexus with its F, and Nissan/infinity would have a very complete and strong lineup. Of course, I doubt this would happen, but a TT Z is very possible, judging from the current direction nissan is going with the GTR.

 

That would change my life !!

 

It definitely makes economic sense to put the VR38 (or a variation of it) in the Z. Just don't expect Nissan's marketing department to allow the Z to challenge the GTR's performance at a lower price.

I still wish that it happens though. The Z and GTR are really in different segments. Look at BMW, they didn't deliberately handicap the Z4 M coupe to save the more luxurious M3 coupe.

 

No it will not happen.

Mostly likely the Z will get the 3.7L engine and that's it.

 

^ why not?

I'm sure in 2000, it was obvious to everyone that there would be a $70k Nissan sold in the U.S that is as fast as a Lamborghini from 0-60 and has over 500hp for the top model.

Judging from the past few years, Nissan's been making good, bold choices. If the past and the present is an indication of the future, there's a good chance of a High-performance RWD Z model that fills the gap between the obvious 3.7L Z and GTR. Of course, the GTR would no doubt be Nissan's top car.

 

There were 2 guys from NNA at Z days this year and they said that the next gen Z will not be Turbo. But they did say that there would be a Nismo FI kit coming out for our cars.

 

^ that would be pretty awesome too, not to mention being cheaper to insure

 

Maybe in a NA form, but I can't see the GT-R engine in any other Nissan. The GT-R is a halo car they can charge big bucks for. It makes no sense for them to put it in a cheaper, lighter, faster, Z.

Much like Chevy not putting the LS7 in anything other than the Z06, I don't see Nissan putting their top-dog engine in anything else right now (though variants on the engine would certainly be possible).

Now, the interesting question becomes would Nissan put the VR38 in an Infiniti.

That actually has a lot more potential because they could charge much more for the car because of the luxury brand image and Infiniti could use a M/AMG/RS competitor.

I still don't think it will happen (at least for quite a while), but I would see it in an Infiniti before a Nissan.

However, I am sure shops will undoubtedly do the swap into a Z (if it fits). Not sure if it would be cheaper to build up a VQ though to get similar power levels.

 

im 100% sure the next Z will be a 380z

since 1st there was 380RS nismo (3.8L VQ)
after that i said the GTR would be a 3.8, every one esle said no its gonna be 3.7 b/c the G37.


so guess what i have to say now....*** yall VR38


whowas right

so ill take my chance the next Z WILL BE 380Z.......VR38DE AND VR38DETT


at worst they will be VR37DE ,possible vr37dett

 

380Z (3.8L) would own the G37 (3.7L)

There will probably be some crazy people doing GT-R motor swaps though.

 

The VR is a purpose-built motor unless you guys are willing to spend $50k on a base Z. The block design is overkill (costly) for N/A application.

What makes you think the 3.8L would own the G37 motor? The slightly longer stroke doesn't mean the engine is better. That's like saying the 4.0L VQ in my dad's Xterra would pwn all.

The 3.8L Motec controleld race variant (395HP), pwns all... have $250k of spare change? It's not street legal.

The 3.8L motor in the RS is not exactly the same as the 3.7L in the G37. Read more about it since I'm lazy to type...

 

[QUOTE=DIGItonium]The VR is a purpose-built motor unless you guys are willing to spend $50k on a base Z. The block design is overkill (costly) for N/A application.
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I'd take one!

 

If Nissan were to put that 3.8 TT into the Z, it would not be the BASE model. Why do I always see that belief....

If they are going to use that 3.8 TT, most likely it would be in the top-of-the-line model Z, similar to the way the 3.8L is in the RS vs the VQ 35HR for the regular Z.

That RS, I'm sure, costs more than $50k, not to mention the Nismo 380 RS, which costs $216k according to car and driver. That's exotic-car price for a Z, yet Nissan is making it. The GTR, with AWD and advanced technology, is a bit under $70K. A $50k Z with the 3.8 TT is possible, and logically, the N/A version of that 3.8 TT would be cheaper.

 

Nissan's taking a big step in bringing the GT-R to the states. They wouldn't hinder its sales by making another TT Z. The GT-R is not going to have a 6-speed? What?

 

After looking the drive train design of the GT-R, it might be sad to accept the fact manual option won't be a possibility anymore.

That's true, the GT-R is exclusive so putting the VR motor in other products will diminish put a dent on the GT-R sales. I was pretty upset when Nissan's other models started making almost as much power as the Z and sounded similar (Take the FX35 for instance... it has the exhaust tone of the Z).

The 380 RS is basically the Nismo Z we have here, but with a 3.8L HR motor producing 350PS. Price-wise, it is around $40k.

The RS-C is the race variant with 395HP using a Motec engine computer. It is NOT street legal, and costs over $200k.

 

So, the GT-R will have a tiptronic + paddle shifter automatic transmission, I'm assuming. I could totally live with that. My Z is a 5AT and I love it. Have no paddle shifters though...

 

I don't recall tiptronic in the pictures, but steering wheel paddles is there. Just view the GT-R forum here... pictures are everywhere!

Sad... but I'm starting to like it.

 

Sorry but that LS-7 will be going in a few other cars. Much the same I don't see why Nissan wouldn't put the vr38tt in other models. Especially after the GTR has been out for a while. The Z06 got to exclusively enjoy the LS7 but now to name one its going in the next CTS-V to name one.

I predict a 3.8 v6tt Z in the future or at least a 3.8 6 with the possibility of a factory installed aftermarket nismo turbo kit!