Which will be faster -- Z4m or 370Z
10-23-2008, 07:04 AM
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Personally, I think they should. Their high compression/high HP engines in the M cars are gas guzzlers. A few years ago, nobody cared their M3 was getting 16/24 mpg. But when the new 335I with just as much power gets 19/29... the game changes a little bit. Especially with the HP wars. The new M3 is 14/20. Ouch.
Not to mention, it's easier and cheaper to use existing TT engines and just turn up the boost than continue to develop specialized, low volume, M versions of naturally aspirated engines.
They've got a great start with the 3.0 turbo engine, and now that 4.4 liter turbo engine. There's some power to be had. Turbos are the future... efficient AND powerful.
10-23-2008, 09:15 AM
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BMW has adamamently denied in the past that they would ever use anything but N/A engines in their M lineup.
Personally, I think they should. Their high compression/high HP engines in the M cars are gas guzzlers. A few years ago, nobody cared their M3 was getting 16/24 mpg. But when the new 335I with just as much power gets 19/29... the game changes a little bit. Especially with the HP wars. The new M3 is 14/20. Ouch.
Not to mention, it's easier and cheaper to use existing TT engines and just turn up the boost than continue to develop specialized, low volume, M versions of naturally aspirated engines.
They've got a great start with the 3.0 turbo engine, and now that 4.4 liter turbo engine. There's some power to be had. Turbos are the future... efficient AND powerful.
Personally, I think they should. Their high compression/high HP engines in the M cars are gas guzzlers. A few years ago, nobody cared their M3 was getting 16/24 mpg. But when the new 335I with just as much power gets 19/29... the game changes a little bit. Especially with the HP wars. The new M3 is 14/20. Ouch.
Not to mention, it's easier and cheaper to use existing TT engines and just turn up the boost than continue to develop specialized, low volume, M versions of naturally aspirated engines.
They've got a great start with the 3.0 turbo engine, and now that 4.4 liter turbo engine. There's some power to be had. Turbos are the future... efficient AND powerful.
Guess we will see; either way, it will be fast.... and expensive!
10-23-2008, 10:47 AM
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So just because you've win the race doesn't mean anything.
You're NOT
a. A professional driver
b. The race wasn't done in a controlled environment.
c. Way too many variables.
Bench racing FTL .... I'll say it again, my couch will beat any car that on the road today. It's all fun and games until you have to race my couch.
You're NOT
a. A professional driver
b. The race wasn't done in a controlled environment.
c. Way too many variables.
Bench racing FTL .... I'll say it again, my couch will beat any car that on the road today. It's all fun and games until you have to race my couch.
B) Did i say i raced them on the street?
C) Variable always exist on or off the track, it ain't like we are playing on Xbox/PS3 where ALL the variables are good/same.
Bench racing....do you know what that means because my post clearly says how i HAVE raced them plenty of times, not asking if my Z could beat a Z4?
10-23-2008, 12:32 PM
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BMW has adamamently denied in the past that they would ever use anything but N/A engines in their M lineup.
Personally, I think they should. Their high compression/high HP engines in the M cars are gas guzzlers. A few years ago, nobody cared their M3 was getting 16/24 mpg. But when the new 335I with just as much power gets 19/29... the game changes a little bit. Especially with the HP wars. The new M3 is 14/20. Ouch.
Not to mention, it's easier and cheaper to use existing TT engines and just turn up the boost than continue to develop specialized, low volume, M versions of naturally aspirated engines.
They've got a great start with the 3.0 turbo engine, and now that 4.4 liter turbo engine. There's some power to be had. Turbos are the future... efficient AND powerful.
Personally, I think they should. Their high compression/high HP engines in the M cars are gas guzzlers. A few years ago, nobody cared their M3 was getting 16/24 mpg. But when the new 335I with just as much power gets 19/29... the game changes a little bit. Especially with the HP wars. The new M3 is 14/20. Ouch.
Not to mention, it's easier and cheaper to use existing TT engines and just turn up the boost than continue to develop specialized, low volume, M versions of naturally aspirated engines.
They've got a great start with the 3.0 turbo engine, and now that 4.4 liter turbo engine. There's some power to be had. Turbos are the future... efficient AND powerful.
Ooooh looky here. Its an old article though. http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070910....ototypes-spied
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11-05-2008, 07:27 AM
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Ok, lost my huge post. Takeaways:
1) Bench racing is stupid. I generally do not respond, but had to based on misinformation.
2) Z4M weights 3,230lbs with full tank of gas and a ~165-170lb driver, as per the BMW DIN kerb weight spec. Dry weight is around ~3,000lbs. Puts down 285-290whp on average, videos on Youtube. ESS tune + scoops have netted 317-318whp (check Zpost, Youtube videos are private). M coupe also has CSL brakes.
3) 2007 370Z scares me (as a M-Coupe owner)! I think if the car is built to spec, it will be a sick ride.
4) Check the TopGear track times for the Z4M, and this is with Contishits. BMW chose to equip the Z4M with crappier tires than the Z3M or the E46 M3 for some strange reason. Dragging is around low 13's/high 12's at 107-109mph, stock. People with mods have done low hundred teens in trap speed.
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1) Bench racing is stupid. I generally do not respond, but had to based on misinformation.
2) Z4M weights 3,230lbs with full tank of gas and a ~165-170lb driver, as per the BMW DIN kerb weight spec. Dry weight is around ~3,000lbs. Puts down 285-290whp on average, videos on Youtube. ESS tune + scoops have netted 317-318whp (check Zpost, Youtube videos are private). M coupe also has CSL brakes.
3) 2007 370Z scares me (as a M-Coupe owner)! I think if the car is built to spec, it will be a sick ride.
4) Check the TopGear track times for the Z4M, and this is with Contishits. BMW chose to equip the Z4M with crappier tires than the Z3M or the E46 M3 for some strange reason. Dragging is around low 13's/high 12's at 107-109mph, stock. People with mods have done low hundred teens in trap speed.
Cheers
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