Originally Posted by in.the.dark

Yeah, and here is my guess: the rev matching mode will function sequentially and is more intended for track use than everyday use. And it won't work for, say, a 6-3 shift. I could be wrong. Guess we'll have to wait to find out.

Originally Posted by Ataru074

I agree that the E46 M3 was fast or close to an HR 350z (I still think that on a track the Z is a bit faster... for what I have seen)

The e92 isn't so faster... it's still a fat goat that suffer of an incredible understeer, especially after few laps on a track.
It's sharp, for the first few laps.. it's really sharp.. and looks neutral to oversteering for its 420hp... but the balance is quite understeering at the limit when the front tires start overheating.

we will see... we will see.... a cayman S can catch an E92 M3 on a track and sometimes be even faster (slow technical track) if the 370z is going to match or overtake the actual cayman... that's it. is going to be faster than a E92 anywhere but straight line and really fast tracks.

Originally Posted by trebien

Not necessarily. The M3 doesn't have much aftermarket headroom for the already strung out engine, but the 370Z should easily be able to tap out another 30HP with simple bolt-ons and a tune, if the G37 aftermarket is any indication.

I hate comparing stock cars versus modded cars, but I have to since there is very little to mod the M3... the mods are much less attainable for it. The M3 is making high 12s in the quarter, and I think the Z will be commonly capable of that with exhaust/cats/tune/intake... simple bolt-ons that many people would consider. I'm not talking about cracking the engine for high compression pistons, or cams, etc. I'm talking about $2000 worth of simple add-ons that are highly attainable and easily installed.

A modded 360HP Z has a very similar power-to-weight ratio as an M3. And the 400+ pound lighter Z will pay dividends on a track.

3200 pound Z with 360HP = 8.89 lbs/hp

3700 pound M3 with 414HP = 8.94 lbs/hp

8.89 > 8.94

Once again, it's all about the weight savings.

Originally Posted by mhoward1

With modern beveled syncros, the between gear shiftings before clutch release really doesn't gain much at all. It saves a little wear on the syncro itself, but its minimal.

If someone is doing it for smoother shifts, then the rev blip is too early to improve smoothness on the chassis.

Originally Posted by Sensi09

Regardless of smoother shifts or wear, one starts to rev-match simultaneously as they're shifting gears. Just don't see how the computer will begin to rev-match without knowing which gear you wish to select.

With F1 style transmissions, the computer controlled clutch makes all the difference. When one taps the paddle a few times, the computer knows which gear is selected and how much to rev-match. On the 370Z, with a traditional manual and clutch, I don't see how this will happen appropriately.

Originally Posted by Sensi09

On the track is one thing, but in my comparison, I was simply referring to straight line acceleration.

Originally Posted by Sensi09

The cost might be greater, but the type of mods are all the same.

Originally Posted by Ataru074

same story for the Z4M...
on the Z is clearly know that also on a full N/A car the money required to get a 10/15% HP/tq more is resonable.

Originally Posted by 370ZTECH

Originally Posted by mthreat

Did you just say 8.89 > 8.94?

I guess you're defining the > symbol as "is better than"

Originally Posted by 350Zenophile

Anyone else think the rev-matching manual is going to save Nissan hundreds of thousands in replacement trannies? I'm sure they'll still be people capable of breaking it, but I'm also sure 99% of the premature synchro wear out there is from people not rev-matching.

Originally Posted by mhoward1

A Rev done in between gears doesn't gain anything in the way of performance. Only a rev match done as the clutch is being released increases smoothness and chassis dynamics. At this point the CPU knows which gear has been selected and the current speed of the car. This is the appropriate time to rev match for performance driving.

Originally Posted by Sensi09

Do you downshift into gear, then begin to rev-match? I tried to think about it when I was driving yesterday, and for myself, the rev-match and shifting into gear happens simultaneously.

Regardless of smoothness and or speed, it just makes for a much more fluid movement/shift IMO.

Originally Posted by mhoward1

While rev matching as you go into gear helps the syncros a bit (but not much), by the time the clutch release is done the rev's have dropped back down and the input shaft now spinning slower than the transmission, so any smoothness is lost. By Doing the rev match as the clutch is released, or just before the pedal is lifted, the input shaft is then brought to the correct speed and then engaged.