Official 370Z specs, with links & new pics - the real thing - 11.15.08
And by flat, you mean damn near died after 6000 rpms? Even with the HR's greater emphasis on maintaining the torque curve after 6000, I doubt any one is going to confuse the upper range of the tach with that of a GT3 or a M3.
As great as midrange torque is for daily driving, for straight-line speed, its better to make torque at the top of the rev range vs. the mid or low end, hence why horsepower, measure of work being done, is a function of torque and revs. The new M3's 4.0L V8 is a good example. Hell, it must be a really crappy engine since it only makes 21 ft/lbs more torque than your DE out of a V8! But it maintains the torque very well, until 7500+ rpms and I don't think anyone would argue that the VQ35DE is a better motor. Peak torque alone is a very very poor indicator of performance.
Personally, I'm all for shifting the torque curve upward; its not like the Z is going to have difficulty moving in daily driving with 270 ft/lbs of torque pulling 3200 lbs. In fact, I wish they would have gone even further in their pursuit of better breathing up top, along with another couple hundred rpms of rev. range
In addition, please note that SAE's method of measuring power changed, and although its not completely possible to compare the two numbers, generally, the new system resulted in lower numbers (the Vette Z06 being a notable exception).
Oh and all you would have to do is look at a dyno of a G37 to get 95% of the idea of how it compares to a DE.
With all that said, I'm not blown away by the new 370z, but its worth test drive before making final judgments.
As great as midrange torque is for daily driving, for straight-line speed, its better to make torque at the top of the rev range vs. the mid or low end, hence why horsepower, measure of work being done, is a function of torque and revs. The new M3's 4.0L V8 is a good example. Hell, it must be a really crappy engine since it only makes 21 ft/lbs more torque than your DE out of a V8! But it maintains the torque very well, until 7500+ rpms and I don't think anyone would argue that the VQ35DE is a better motor. Peak torque alone is a very very poor indicator of performance.
Personally, I'm all for shifting the torque curve upward; its not like the Z is going to have difficulty moving in daily driving with 270 ft/lbs of torque pulling 3200 lbs. In fact, I wish they would have gone even further in their pursuit of better breathing up top, along with another couple hundred rpms of rev. range
In addition, please note that SAE's method of measuring power changed, and although its not completely possible to compare the two numbers, generally, the new system resulted in lower numbers (the Vette Z06 being a notable exception).
Oh and all you would have to do is look at a dyno of a G37 to get 95% of the idea of how it compares to a DE.
With all that said, I'm not blown away by the new 370z, but its worth test drive before making final judgments.
And I know about the torque. That it drops off after 6000 rpm means little to me, since I don't live my life a 1/4 mile at a time. The DE has a great curve that stays pretty well flat up until that point. That's what I care about.
And I love the new M3, partly for the reasons you listed, so don't go putting words in my mouth. Bottom line, for me, is that for this brand new car, very little was done to really distance it from its predecessor. Even with a longer torque curve of the new HR, IMO, these kind of numbers are more appropriate to a subtle update of a car, not for a total redesign that the Z34 is supposed to be. Maybe had they introduced the HR with the Z34, I'd be more impressed, since I do give that engine its props.
Will probably induce more understeer, if anything. A nose heavy front on an RWD coupe isn't very good. Imo, Nissan added too much bullsh*t to the 370Z and instead of losing weight...it actually gained it. The Touring 370Z weighs 60lbs more than my 06 did stock, and 120lbs more in its current modded state.
FWIW, I went to the Nissan dealership yesterday so my wife could test drive a few cars. The person we spoke to was actually semi-well informed for a car salesman. We spoke a little about the 370 and I asked him if he knew what the pricing was going to be, he said he didn't know the complete pricing, but that they were told the base model would start at $29,990.
He could be completely wrong, but I thought it was interesting nontheless.
He could be completely wrong, but I thought it was interesting nontheless.
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Why can't they put a Gear type (Torsen?) LSD... 
Regarding the weight, compare it to a G37 coupe.
Then, compare the 03 350Z to a 03 G35 coupe.
I think they did a pretty good job in keeping the weight in check. Yes, a lighter car would have been nice, but what can they do? Raise the price of the car and destroy their market?
The weight distribution also makes sense, given that there's less rear overhang.
Regarding the weight, compare it to a G37 coupe.
Then, compare the 03 350Z to a 03 G35 coupe.
I think they did a pretty good job in keeping the weight in check. Yes, a lighter car would have been nice, but what can they do? Raise the price of the car and destroy their market?
The weight distribution also makes sense, given that there's less rear overhang.
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The Bridgestone Potenza's that come with the sport pack - P245/40R19 front & P275/35R19 rear tires are fat!
The 275 rears have to be widest stock tire Nissan has ever used on a stock car!
Can't wait to see the handling and braking numbers on this car with this fatter rubber. bigger brakes (on sport pack) and the revised double wishbone front suspension.
The 275 rears have to be widest stock tire Nissan has ever used on a stock car!
Can't wait to see the handling and braking numbers on this car with this fatter rubber. bigger brakes (on sport pack) and the revised double wishbone front suspension.
it will most likly have a stopping distance = to that of the cayman S.
and like i said before. 3000lbs, is only a few lightweight items away.
lightweight buckets, battery, wheels, rotors, swap the spare to AAA
, underdrive pully, flywheel clutch combo, aluminum driveshaft, short shifter.and upsize the tires to 265's and 295's. and those 295's STILL wont fill out the fenders in the rear I bet.
then stillen Gen 3 intakes or Injen, High flow Cats, Catback, Agressive Reflash,
Cams.
oh and the new Z has pretty much the same weight distribution as the Z32. so watch out in the rain this Z is gonna be REALLy tail happy.
im thinking thats the main reason for the beefy rear tires with the sport package.
Will probably induce more understeer, if anything. A nose heavy front on an RWD coupe isn't very good. Imo, Nissan added too much bullsh*t to the 370Z and instead of losing weight...it actually gained it. The Touring 370Z weighs 60lbs more than my 06 did stock, and 120lbs more in its current modded state.
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I know about the SAE changes that occurred in the middle of the Z33's lifespan (Nissan used them when the HR motor came out).
And I know about the torque. That it drops off after 6000 rpm means little to me, since I don't live my life a 1/4 mile at a time. The DE has a great curve that stays pretty well flat up until that point. That's what I care about.
And I love the new M3, partly for the reasons you listed, so don't go putting words in my mouth. Bottom line, for me, is that for this brand new car, very little was done to really distance it from its predecessor. Even with a longer torque curve of the new HR, IMO, these kind of numbers are more appropriate to a subtle update of a car, not for a total redesign that the Z34 is supposed to be. Maybe had they introduced the HR with the Z34, I'd be more impressed, since I do give that engine its props.
And I know about the torque. That it drops off after 6000 rpm means little to me, since I don't live my life a 1/4 mile at a time. The DE has a great curve that stays pretty well flat up until that point. That's what I care about.
And I love the new M3, partly for the reasons you listed, so don't go putting words in my mouth. Bottom line, for me, is that for this brand new car, very little was done to really distance it from its predecessor. Even with a longer torque curve of the new HR, IMO, these kind of numbers are more appropriate to a subtle update of a car, not for a total redesign that the Z34 is supposed to be. Maybe had they introduced the HR with the Z34, I'd be more impressed, since I do give that engine its props.
Sorry, your earlier post made it seem that you were under appreciating the usefulness of extending the rev range (I'm a huge fan if you can't tell) and overemphasizing the effect of a few ft/lbs of torque, but I actually agree with your overall opinion about the 370z.
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3 things I'd like to say...
1. Those of you who keep saying how 370z weights more than your 2003 350z, it does but not by much at all (3188 vs. 3232). Come on man, I bet you 95% of the same car models from year 2003 to 2009 gained a lot of weight so an increase of 44lbs is almost nothing.
2. This 370z has much better power to weight ratio than 2003 350z.
2003 350z (3188lbs, 268HP) = 11.896
2009 370z (3232lbs, 332HP) = 9.735
3. If you read the specs, it says the hood, door panels and hatch are all aluminium. That means lowered center of gravity = Better Handling.
So overall, I'd say it's a much improved Z!
1. Those of you who keep saying how 370z weights more than your 2003 350z, it does but not by much at all (3188 vs. 3232). Come on man, I bet you 95% of the same car models from year 2003 to 2009 gained a lot of weight so an increase of 44lbs is almost nothing.
2. This 370z has much better power to weight ratio than 2003 350z.
2003 350z (3188lbs, 268HP) = 11.896
2009 370z (3232lbs, 332HP) = 9.735
3. If you read the specs, it says the hood, door panels and hatch are all aluminium. That means lowered center of gravity = Better Handling.
So overall, I'd say it's a much improved Z!
That's a fair assessment, although we seek different things from our motors as I personally would gladly trade some power in the lower rev ranges as long as the motor encouraged taking it to redline and moves well when I do so.
Sorry, your earlier post made it seem that you were under appreciating the usefulness of extending the rev range (I'm a huge fan if you can't tell) and overemphasizing the effect of a few ft/lbs of torque, but I actually agree with your overall opinion about the 370z.
Sorry, your earlier post made it seem that you were under appreciating the usefulness of extending the rev range (I'm a huge fan if you can't tell) and overemphasizing the effect of a few ft/lbs of torque, but I actually agree with your overall opinion about the 370z.
I can't wait for the Japanese pros to take it out on the track. I hope they put it up against an E46 M3, Nismo 350Z HR, and the new Cayman S. That would be sweet!
Thanks. I kinda assumed that they would show a sports package to the public then tell them base is at $30K to make it seem cheaper. I wonder how much more is it with the upgraded brakes and wheels (sports package)?
If I were to get one, I'd get the base and get aftermarket 19x10F and 20x11R wheels. This is gonna be one expensive money pit.
If I were to get one, I'd get the base and get aftermarket 19x10F and 20x11R wheels. This is gonna be one expensive money pit.
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The specs on this are not blowing my skirt up at all. I really expected much more of an evolved vehicle after 6 years. Are they for real? THIS is the NEW Z?! 26 more ponies than an HR, less torque than my 05 and it weighs MORE? WTF? 370z broader torque curve, blah blah. The turn in with this car is gonna be like ice skating with the weight distribution. Out of the box this care will be SLIGHTLY faster than the HR. The 2010 Mustang and Camaro will BLOW this car out of the water. This is truly disappointing. The last few days Ive been eyeing a used 2007 C6 with fewer than 10K miles for $34K and change. I need to grow a set and pull the trgger on it.
The specs on this are not blowing my skirt up at all. I really expected much more of an evolved vehicle after 6 years. Are they for real? THIS is the NEW Z?! 26 more ponies than an HR, less torque than my 05 and it weighs MORE? WTF? 370z broader torque curve, blah blah. The turn in with this car is gonna be like ice skating with the weight distribution. Out of the box this care will be SLIGHTLY faster than the HR. The 2010 Mustang and Camaro will BLOW this car out of the water. This is truly disappointing. The last few days Ive been eyeing a used 2007 C6 with fewer than 10K miles for $34K and change. I need to grow a set and pull the trgger on it.
1) 350z handles pretty well, and the 370 will handle even better, thats more important than hp imo, you can always add more power if you need it. But the 370 will probably be 13.0@108 which should be plenty of power.
2)corvette= crappy quality, not as reliable, you pay a premium for quality
If Nissan made the same version of the c6 I would rather have a 1 yr old version of that
3 things I'd like to say...
1. Those of you who keep saying how 370z weights more than your 2003 350z, it does but not by much at all (3188 vs. 3232). Come on man, I bet you 95% of the same car models from year 2003 to 2009 gained a lot of weight so an increase of 44lbs is almost nothing.
2. This 370z has much better power to weight ratio than 2003 350z.
2003 350z (3188lbs, 268HP) = 11.896
2009 370z (3232lbs, 332HP) = 9.735
3. If you read the specs, it says the hood, door panels and hatch are all aluminium. That means lowered center of gravity = Better Handling.
So overall, I'd say it's a much improved Z!
1. Those of you who keep saying how 370z weights more than your 2003 350z, it does but not by much at all (3188 vs. 3232). Come on man, I bet you 95% of the same car models from year 2003 to 2009 gained a lot of weight so an increase of 44lbs is almost nothing.
2. This 370z has much better power to weight ratio than 2003 350z.
2003 350z (3188lbs, 268HP) = 11.896
2009 370z (3232lbs, 332HP) = 9.735
3. If you read the specs, it says the hood, door panels and hatch are all aluminium. That means lowered center of gravity = Better Handling.
So overall, I'd say it's a much improved Z!
as for weight to power ratio I don't care, my 350Z is around 5.0 almost twice, what I wanted was something at the weight of the S2000, or close, to toss around, then even at the 306 of the HR would have been fun let alone 332.
Again I am not hating on the 370Z, it is just that Nissan didn't deliver
if they used such great technology why is so close to the weight of the 19 year old 300ZX twin turbo, at 3414 lbs, that is built like a brickhouse, forget clips everything is bolted together, the engine is iron block plus twin turbos, plus all wheel steering, 2 piece steel driveshaft..........
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