Just a Thought
Exactly. It is very obvious this site is biased towards the 350Z. Well, what do you expect, look at the title. I have been going to other sites and there is almost NO major complaints about the 370Z, mostly praise. I think you just need to venture out of this forum sometimes to get a real gauge of what is going on. it almost makes me wonder about the future of this site. I remember other sites that were almost "too attached" to a specific model, and didn't adjust to the new. As the popularity of the old model declined so did the forum in readership and content.
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This is an excellent thread. I like what in.the.dark said. Which was basically, if we take money out of the equation and someone came up to you and said "you've just won a new Z, take your pick a 350Z or a 370Z" which would you honestly pick? 
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One thing I have noticed is that forum members will fall into the below categories with the their thoughts on the 370z:
1) Like the improved overall characteristics of the new car, but are not willing to fork over additional funds for a car that they perceive as marginally better than their own.
2) Hate the new car, and will continue to focus on keeping their 350Z as long as possible and will mod it to keep their car looking fresh.
3) Have neither the 350z or 370z, but post on the forum to antagonize members about how better the 370z is with little to no real world experience in the the 350z or 370z.
4) Current 350z owner who likes the 370z and will upgrade after the initial production issues are vetted out and the price drops considerably.
To be honest, I would put myself in the 1st category.
One thing I have noticed is that forum members will fall into the below categories with the their thoughts on the 370z:
1) Like the improved overall characteristics of the new car, but are not willing to fork over additional funds for a car that they perceive as marginally better than their own.
2) Hate the new car, and will continue to focus on keeping their 350Z as long as possible and will mod it to keep their car looking fresh.
3) Have neither the 350z or 370z, but post on the forum to antagonize members about how better the 370z is with little to no real world experience in the the 350z or 370z.
4) Current 350z owner who likes the 370z and will upgrade after the initial production issues are vetted out and the price drops considerably.
To be honest, I would put myself in the 1st category.
I personally don't like the headlights, taillights, rear "butt hole" or bumper "fangs" on the 370z, but like anything else I could get used to them and aftermarket parts will definitely help the sex appeal. I like the roofline and rear quarter window lines and the new dimensions would make the car a bit more tossable. Put a V8 in it with 400 or so WHP and I'd deal with the monthly payments.
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I've said this before - if I already owned a 07/08 350z then I would most likely NOT be interested in the 370z because my car will still be fairly new with an updated engine plus some exterior improvements over the 03-05 350z's.
Since I don't own a 350z - I prefer the new Z over the old one but if somehow I can still purchase a brand new leftover 2008 350z this summer for under $23k, I'll gladly pocket the price difference and enjoy the "old" model.
Since I don't own a 350z - I prefer the new Z over the old one but if somehow I can still purchase a brand new leftover 2008 350z this summer for under $23k, I'll gladly pocket the price difference and enjoy the "old" model.
I walk to the metro and take a train to work everyday. When I come home and round the corner...there is my 350Z parked in the corner parking space and it never fails to hit me just how good the car looks.
Then the words, "the 350Z looks dated" pops into my head and I just laugh that quiet chuckle of a satisfied Z owner.
Then the words, "the 350Z looks dated" pops into my head and I just laugh that quiet chuckle of a satisfied Z owner.
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I walk to the metro and take a train to work everyday. When I come home and round the corner...there is my 350Z parked in the corner parking space and it never fails to hit me just how good the car looks.
Then the words, "the 350Z looks dated" pops into my head and I just laugh that quiet chuckle of a satisfied Z owner.
Then the words, "the 350Z looks dated" pops into my head and I just laugh that quiet chuckle of a satisfied Z owner.
It's our "latest and greatest" mentality that makes us chuckle and say, "Dated? What are they talking about, dated? My car's not dated lookin." However, I think the right frame of mind is that it's alright to think a dated looking car is good looking. Some here think the Z32 is the most gorgeous Z ever. I personally think the 2GB DSMs are fantastic.
I walk to the metro and take a train to work everyday. When I come home and round the corner...there is my 350Z parked in the corner parking space and it never fails to hit me just how good the car looks.
Then the words, "the 350Z looks dated" pops into my head and I just laugh that quiet chuckle of a satisfied Z owner.
Then the words, "the 350Z looks dated" pops into my head and I just laugh that quiet chuckle of a satisfied Z owner.
deal.
Scrapser, I find tihs interesting. It seems to be the idea that your car may look dated compared to the new Z that gives you a chuckle. I would think that there are some things about the car's design and features (antennae for example) that does undeniably make it look a little dated (though not much). This seems to be an exhibition of either not seeing what others are calling dated or slight denial.
It's our "latest and greatest" mentality that makes us chuckle and say, "Dated? What are they talking about, dated? My car's not dated lookin." However, I think the right frame of mind is that it's alright to think a dated looking car is good looking. Some here think the Z32 is the most gorgeous Z ever. I personally think the 2GB DSMs are fantastic.
It's our "latest and greatest" mentality that makes us chuckle and say, "Dated? What are they talking about, dated? My car's not dated lookin." However, I think the right frame of mind is that it's alright to think a dated looking car is good looking. Some here think the Z32 is the most gorgeous Z ever. I personally think the 2GB DSMs are fantastic.
If you read my post carefully, all it says is I'm a satisfied Z owner and the idea of it being dated is funny to me. It's simply a good looking car. The rest is being suggested by whoever reads my post. We do this sort of thing all the time. Think of looking an arrangement of black shapes that suggest a number or alphabet character but when you look at what's actually there, there is no number or character. Your mind fills in the gaps.
Oh...you mentioned the antennae...I think it actually adds to the car's appearance but only because it's short and black. Anything else would probably look out of place.
Cars of the past all have their place and still look good I think but I also believe it has something to do with the people alive during the same period. I doubt many people today would think of a Model T as something artistic but who knows. I remember when I thought my 1982 Subaru GL3 hatchback had "great lines"!
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Actually my post was a bit of a psychological piece of cheese. You responded well but the guy after you took the bait completely. He had to repeat the point he thinks I'm defending against and state it in a sort of "in your face" sort of way.
If you read my post carefully, all it says is I'm a satisfied Z owner and the idea of it being dated is funny to me. It's simply a good looking car. The rest is being suggested by whoever reads my post. We do this sort of thing all the time. Think of looking an arrangement of black shapes that suggest a number or alphabet character but when you look at what's actually there, there is no number or character. Your mind fills in the gaps.
Oh...you mentioned the antennae...I think it actually adds to the car's appearance but only because it's short and black. Anything else would probably look out of place. Style isn't subjective, taste is.
Cars of the past all have their place and still look good I think but I also believe it has something to do with the people alive during the same period. I doubt many people today would think of a Model T as something artistic but who knows. I remember when I thought my 1982 Subaru GL3 hatchback had "great lines"!
If you read my post carefully, all it says is I'm a satisfied Z owner and the idea of it being dated is funny to me. It's simply a good looking car. The rest is being suggested by whoever reads my post. We do this sort of thing all the time. Think of looking an arrangement of black shapes that suggest a number or alphabet character but when you look at what's actually there, there is no number or character. Your mind fills in the gaps.
Oh...you mentioned the antennae...I think it actually adds to the car's appearance but only because it's short and black. Anything else would probably look out of place. Style isn't subjective, taste is.
Cars of the past all have their place and still look good I think but I also believe it has something to do with the people alive during the same period. I doubt many people today would think of a Model T as something artistic but who knows. I remember when I thought my 1982 Subaru GL3 hatchback had "great lines"!
When the next design era comes along, it will likely be driven by the technological changes in the drivetrains we use.
Oh, and the Model T has a very artistic design. Those three box designs are very utilitarian. They don't evoque much of anything.
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You used the term "muscular". That's another adjective I've heard several times in various threads and another good example of what is meant by the term. I was a teenager when "muscle cars" were in their prime (GTO, Chevelle SS, Camaro, Cuda, Mustang, etc.). When I hear muscular, my mind instantly invokes images of those cars.
At age 16, I took a ride in a 1968 Plymouth GTX with a 426 Hemi that had dual quad carbs, a Hurst 4-on-the-floor shift, and wide cheater slicks for rear tires. Lots of other stuff too as he raced at the local drag strip. When the guy popped the clutch and floored it, I felt like I was in a rocket sled. I will never forget how that felt.
At age 16, I took a ride in a 1968 Plymouth GTX with a 426 Hemi that had dual quad carbs, a Hurst 4-on-the-floor shift, and wide cheater slicks for rear tires. Lots of other stuff too as he raced at the local drag strip. When the guy popped the clutch and floored it, I felt like I was in a rocket sled. I will never forget how that felt.
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You used the term "muscular". That's another adjective I've heard several times in various threads and another good example of what is meant by the term. I was a teenager when "muscle cars" were in their prime (GTO, Chevelle SS, Camaro, Cuda, Mustang, etc.). When I hear muscular, my mind instantly invokes images of those cars.
At age 16, I took a ride in a 1968 Plymouth GTX with a 426 Hemi that had dual quad carbs, a Hurst 4-on-the-floor shift, and wide cheater slicks for rear tires. Lots of other stuff too as he raced at the local drag strip. When the guy popped the clutch and floored it, I felt like I was in a rocket sled. I will never forget how that felt.
At age 16, I took a ride in a 1968 Plymouth GTX with a 426 Hemi that had dual quad carbs, a Hurst 4-on-the-floor shift, and wide cheater slicks for rear tires. Lots of other stuff too as he raced at the local drag strip. When the guy popped the clutch and floored it, I felt like I was in a rocket sled. I will never forget how that felt.
Sorry I've been busy the last few days to reply. What I like about my 350 is what I like to refer to as the "road hugger" look. It's a term originally applied to the '69 Camaro if I remember correctly. The first Eclipse also hit me this way. In essence, the car has proportions and an overall stance that looks balanced for the road. If it gets too big or too small, it loses this impression.
I think the 370 still retains this look but is approaching the borderline with the height of the front and rear (hood and hatch). Even if they have kept the center of gravity low, the image doesn't necessarily convey it to the mind's eye. I hope this comes across right as it's hard to describe in words.
I guess I'm too old to see either the 350 or 370 as muscular. It just doesn't stick for me. For me, muscular means power which you feel and hear much more than you "see". I guess that's why it doesn't work for me. I'm concerned that the rumors are correct in that the 370 doesn't have as much growl from the exhaust as its predecessors. I hope this isn't a trend for the future.
I think the 370 still retains this look but is approaching the borderline with the height of the front and rear (hood and hatch). Even if they have kept the center of gravity low, the image doesn't necessarily convey it to the mind's eye. I hope this comes across right as it's hard to describe in words.
I guess I'm too old to see either the 350 or 370 as muscular. It just doesn't stick for me. For me, muscular means power which you feel and hear much more than you "see". I guess that's why it doesn't work for me. I'm concerned that the rumors are correct in that the 370 doesn't have as much growl from the exhaust as its predecessors. I hope this isn't a trend for the future.
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You used the term "muscular". That's another adjective I've heard several times in various threads and another good example of what is meant by the term. I was a teenager when "muscle cars" were in their prime (GTO, Chevelle SS, Camaro, Cuda, Mustang, etc.). When I hear muscular, my mind instantly invokes images of those cars.
At age 16, I took a ride in a 1968 Plymouth GTX with a 426 Hemi that had dual quad carbs, a Hurst 4-on-the-floor shift, and wide cheater slicks for rear tires. Lots of other stuff too as he raced at the local drag strip. When the guy popped the clutch and floored it, I felt like I was in a rocket sled. I will never forget how that felt.
At age 16, I took a ride in a 1968 Plymouth GTX with a 426 Hemi that had dual quad carbs, a Hurst 4-on-the-floor shift, and wide cheater slicks for rear tires. Lots of other stuff too as he raced at the local drag strip. When the guy popped the clutch and floored it, I felt like I was in a rocket sled. I will never forget how that felt.
I owned a 1968 hemi road runner exactly like you described.If i can sell this nismo i want to go back to that feeling with a c6 or gt500.I was 19 years old when i had that car and my first car was a 1966 ss396(L34). I ordered both cars from the factory the way i wanted them.
A few years later when I was older, I had a friend with a Plymouth Satellite/440 six-pack, another with an Olds 442, and I got hold of a '68 Barracuda with a 383 Magnum. All good memories to be sure. I wish you could still get a 426 Hemi. That was one legendary engine.
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Muscle cars where great back in the day for straight line drags but I can't tell you how scared I've been in a 442 racing and you come upon a curve!!! The Road Runners & GTXs were great looking and running monsters but they couldn't beat the 396s or 454s most time but they were sleeker.
But you have to admit quad 4 barrel carberators are old technology and not as reliable as fule injection, By the way guys this is a Z-Car forum. The Z is a Sports Car compared to these monsters. But is hard to beat a Hemi or big block V8 on a straight!!
But you have to admit quad 4 barrel carberators are old technology and not as reliable as fule injection, By the way guys this is a Z-Car forum. The Z is a Sports Car compared to these monsters. But is hard to beat a Hemi or big block V8 on a straight!!
I think its a great car motor wise, handling wise etc. the interior rocks. I wouldnt however spend the money on something i think looks terrible. I like everything but the looks. Put all the new stuff on a 350z and id trade in my 06 tomorrow. I just cant walk to an ugly car everyday even if it is faster.
Muscle cars where great back in the day for straight line drags but I can't tell you how scared I've been in a 442 racing and you come upon a curve!!! The Road Runners & GTXs were great looking and running monsters but they couldn't beat the 396s or 454s most time but they were sleeker.
But you have to admit quad 4 barrel carberators are old technology and not as reliable as fule injection, By the way guys this is a Z-Car forum. The Z is a Sports Car compared to these monsters. But is hard to beat a Hemi or big block V8 on a straight!!
But you have to admit quad 4 barrel carberators are old technology and not as reliable as fule injection, By the way guys this is a Z-Car forum. The Z is a Sports Car compared to these monsters. But is hard to beat a Hemi or big block V8 on a straight!!
I think its a great car motor wise, handling wise etc. the interior rocks. I wouldnt however spend the money on something i think looks terrible. I like everything but the looks. Put all the new stuff on a 350z and id trade in my 06 tomorrow. I just cant walk to an ugly car everyday even if it is faster.
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