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Old 06-11-2009, 10:40 AM
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Very interesting read, enjoy!!

370Z vs. Cayman
By Matt Master

Cocksure in the aftermath of its triumphant Porsche bashing with the GT-R, Nissan is squaring up to Stuttgart once again. Where first it was the 911 Turbo that was benchmarked and beaten on a budget, this time it's the Cayman...or so Nissan says.

The 370Z is the evolution of the 350Z, mock muscle car of the mid-noughties that earned Nissan a cachet that it hadn't experienced for a long time. But blunt styling, grunt and a bench press for a gear change weren't enough to get the 350Z taken seriously. Everybody loved it, but heart seldom rules head when you're shopping for a $30K sports car. Or at least it shouldn't.

So the 370Z delivers, according to the blurb, "more agility, more performance, more practicality and more fun." And all that for near enough $20K less than the entry-level Cayman it aims to trounce. Sounds like madness, but Nissan's serious here. When the car was launched in Japan, Nissan had a Cayman there and stated that that was the car it had set out to beat. That's some serious posturing.

The first thing you notice about the 370Z is that it borrows heavily from the GT-R in terms of styling. This is sensible of Nissan, and no bad thing for you and I. Faddish though these lines may prove, right now it looks fantastic. I thought the 350Z still looked great, until we chanced upon a slightly tired-looking blue one on this trip.

Side-by-side, the full extent of Nissan's efforts in the restyling of its new car quickly become apparent. Everything about it is bold, aggressive and utterly of the moment. Its flared wheel arches, GT-R-style angled roof line and high, LED-laden rear end exude both menace and modernity, hinting at that vital combination of power and technology that makes its brother so formidable. It all makes perfect sense, while the outgoing model suddenly seems an oddity, tragically dated. Alongside the Cayman, meanwhile, it appears huge, not just in terms of simple dimensions, but equally via a forbidding curbside presence that alludes to daunting power in that short, fat chassis. This is a hairy chest to the Cayman's boutique wax. And all before you've even turned it on.

Inside, that GT-R theme reappears. Where the 350 was an artless affair with masses of brittle black plastic and a functional air that belied its price and market position, the 370 is a fine mix of stitched leather and solid touch points. Alcantara door trim, high-tech instrumentation and everywhere an attention to detail that makes the whole cabin feel expensive. Vital for a Nissan with ambitions as lofty as this one.

We should reiterate here that the changes are not solely cosmetic, either. The new Z has a wider track both front and rear and is actually 100mm shorter than the last one. This promises to improve the handling, in conjunction with a stiffer body and a reduced overall curb weight made possible by more aluminum body panels. The 3.5-liter V6 engine has gone up to 3.7, hence the name change, taking the power output up with it. The 326 hp available is good for 62 mph in 5.4 seconds and the standard ceiling of 155 mph. It's quick by any standards, let alone a car weighing 1.5 tons.

The old car was set up to make the driver feel critically involved with the processes of this performance, through exhaust noise, meaty steering and pedal feel, and that famous solid gear change. Happily, Nissan's evolutioneers have seen fit to keep all this, albeit with a few high-tech additions. The steering is now speed sensitive and the gearbox gets what Nissan is calling Synchro Rev Control, effectively an automatic heel-and-toe system that blips the throttle on the downshift. The cost option of S-mode makes for smoother, more rapid changes and reduces the chances of unsettling the car at an inopportune moment, but it also kills off yet another dying art for the sports car driver.

Against the Cayman, things are stacking up well. It's an emotional choice, for sure, but not as yet a stupid one. The Z's quick, comfy, well built and exciting. And still, lest we forget, at a price of $30,000, nearly 20 grand cheaper.

On the move, however, the paths of these two cars begin to diverge rapidly, until they could hardly feel more different.

It needs flagging up that the only entry-level 2.9-liter Cayman Porsche could get us for this test came with the PDK twin-clutch gearbox and those stupid buttons instead of proper paddles. Annoying though this system is, it does make it a remarkably smooth car to drive, and vastly smoother than the manual-shifting Nissan. But so, too, you can be fairly certain, would the six-speed manual we'd have preferred in the Cayman. Either way, when you start making the pair of them sing for their supper, it's painfully obvious where that extra $20K has gone.

Both cars are fast in a straight line. Equally so in real terms. But introduce a few corners and the Cayman quickly, and literally, leaves the Z behind. On fresh, baby's bum tarmac, the Nissan grips with total assurance, but it's readily unsettled by the same surface imperfections that the Cayman just ripples over. Factor in all that power at the rear wheels, stiffly sprung suspension and a short wheelbase, and you have the potential for trouble. The traction control was blinking away in a straight line all afternoon on our test, the driver of the 370Z always sweating to keep up with the serenely composed Cayman.

Turn the Z hard into a roundabout and it leans markedly where the Cayman stays comparatively flat. Body roll is an attribute that can be beneficial in telegraphing a car's proximity to its limit, something the Cayman reveals far more suddenly, but nine times out of 10 it's better just to be steady and upright. Again, though, this is the disparity between the hirsute and the waxed. Do you want an armful or just a handful? Pay your money, make your choice.

Nissan is set on this blue-collar notion of affordability and masculinity, and despite benchmarking itself against the pricey, more effeminate Cayman, would readily eschew the Porsche's vastly superior dynamic attributes in favor of the visceral, primitive front-engine, rear-drive setup and everything that entails. On a budget, with the intention of making money, this is probably very prudent. They don't want to make something so good it cuts into the GT-R market after all, and Nissan's unique selling proposition here can only ever be an evolution of the Y-chromosome-heavy 350Z. Even the last Cayman was leagues ahead of this in terms of engineering. So keep it simple, keep it a bit scary.

As is so often the case with road tests, and perhaps all the more so when dealing with cars as exceptional as these, the well-worn adage that there's no such thing as a bad car rears its head. If you'd been born astride a Cayman and knew nothing else, you'd be forgiven for thinking the 370Z was a bad car. But if the Porsche hadn't been there this time, the impression of the Nissan would certainly be more positive.

But every aspect of the Cayman justifies its price tag. Swap the comfort and improved quality of the Nissan's cockpit for the Porsche's and you can instantly see, feel, even smell the reason you'd be paying so much more. Take both cars through the same fast set of bends and most people would probably be prepared to dig even deeper.

If Nissan doesn't mention Porsche ever again, at least not in relation to the 370Z, it has a stunning car here. Affordable, exciting, practical, different. And if Nissan never had, it would seem unfair, even churlish, to bring the Cayman along to the new Z's European launch. Bringing a gun to a knife fight as it were. The biggest threat, we think, comes not from the pointedly pricey Porsche but the more comparably affordable 3.0-liter BMW Z4 Coupe. Here is another long-bonnet, front-engine, rear-wheel-drive two-seater, with much of the character and most of the chest hair of the Nissan. But it's also more svelte, clinical in execution and capable on the road, perhaps much like what the 370Z would have become if it had earnestly attempted to morph into the Cayman. The Nissan and the Porsche are chalk and cheese. Both real sports cars, both wonderful things to drive in different respects, but they barely share a single strand of design DNA. The Z4 Coupe falls neatly between the two, both in terms of price and ability. It's the thinking man's alternative here. Even though it's not here...

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interesting read!!
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Good read, thanks!
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thanks for the article, I hope they make an episode just for the 370z!
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Originally Posted by kevin319
thanks for the article, I hope they make an episode just for the 370z!
I'd love to see how the 370Z does on their track. It's got to beat the 1:26 mark because that is how fast the Z4M lapped the track.
Old 06-14-2009, 03:26 PM
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i doubt they will make an episode ONLY for the 370z, its not that special.

most likely they will do a rival type episode..like when they tested the 350z vs rx8
Old 06-14-2009, 07:38 PM
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The Z is just too high off the ground. With a drop, it might have been a little different. That being said, if reliability and price were the same, no question the Cayman is a superior car.
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But they made an episode just for the gt-r . Either way I would like to see what they want to say about the 370z.
Old 06-14-2009, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kevin319
But they made an episode just for the gt-r . Either way I would like to see what they want to say about the 370z.
Yeah but they said that the GTR was one of the most highly anitcipated cars of 2009, not to mention all the media coverage and interest of it before its release. So it seems fitting that they would give it an entire episode. The 370Z on the contrary is just a "follow up" model, so there wasn't nearly as much global interest.
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Smile Video version?

Great read. If anyone sees this test comparo on the show, let us know. I love that show...
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I have a feeling Clarkson will hate on the 370 even more than the 350 if for nothing but looks alone. This author nails it with:

Faddish though these lines may prove, right now it looks fantastic...Everything about it is bold, aggressive and utterly of the moment.
As much as it has grown on me, it is too out-there for British sensibilities.

New season starts in 6 days! I'm psyched!
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Originally Posted by 350Zenophile
I have a feeling Clarkson will hate on the 370 even more than the 350 if for nothing but looks alone. This author nails it with:



As much as it has grown on me, it is too out-there for British sensibilities.

New season starts in 6 days! I'm psyched!
First time I saw one rolling from a distance towards me I thought... damn that's an aggressive looking 350Z and when it got really close I got pwned
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Good read thanks for posting.

Agreed MR makes everything different and the handling is very different in the new Cayman. Both great cars....
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kinda funny top gear promo for new season:

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^^
yeah I saw that 2 days ago
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i love top gear
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Just me, but is the Porsche really worth $20K more than the Z? How difficult would it be to make the Z handle better and out accelerate the Porsche if you put half that much into it, $10K? They talk about $20K like it is nothing.

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Originally Posted by blasian
First time I saw one rolling from a distance towards me I thought... damn that's an aggressive looking 350Z and when it got really close I got pwned
Yeh, from a distance it kind of looks like suped up 350Z but when it gets closer you know it something different.

"I thought the 350Z still looked great, until we chanced upon a slightly tired-looking blue one on this trip."
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I think the news here is that people are actually "thinking" of putting a Z up against a Porsche. In the past I don't think it would have been much of a thought. Nissan just needs to keep up the constant improvements.

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Originally Posted by newtkindred
Just me, but is the Porsche really worth $20K more than the Z? How difficult would it be to make the Z handle better and out accelerate the Porsche if you put half that much into it, $10K? They talk about $20K like it is nothing.

Not all about performance.. A base 911 which everyone knows is no slouch in the str8's nor the twisties. Can offer great performance while still projecting a fairly quiet and comfortable drive, I won't even mention options etc..

Heck an 997 GT3 even without Pasm, is way more comfortable than a Z.

I bet everyone has heard this before. Someone comments that the Z is too loud, stiff, uncomfortable or why there's no creature comforts like nav, leather or audio (Base or Nismo Z) etc.. And the most common reply they get is.. thats the price you pay for a sports cars. LOL If thats true Then why did the JDM 350 Nismo get leather, Nav and other such goodies or a GT2 isnt a real sports car?

Don't get me wrong I love the Z.. But lets not kid our selfs, drive both (P & Z) cars a long distance over different type roads. And you'll see that the price difference isnt 'only' due to the name or how it performs.

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