Houston Z33

Did we forget that the Z33 started around $24,000 when it launched...the Z34 doesn't even start under 30k anymore for a Base.

Diesel350

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Why would that matter?

Shamu Z

...Uh ....yeah Corvette is tearing up the charts?

Corvette Delivery Statistics for January 2012
629 Units -12.8%

This is one of the lowest delivery months on record for Corvette. Two seat sports cars are not popular right now. Especially gas hogs.

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/01/...e-be-the-last/

Diesel350

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And the 370z still couldn't outsell the Corvette for the month of January.

Shamu

So thats news? Corvette has out sold Z cars both 350Z and 370Z for over a decade with exception of the 350Z relaunch in 2003 where Z barely outsold the vette by a couple hundered units. That was likely due to pent up demand as Z car left the market for years before 350 came back. Vette is an American Icon car. Z has held pretty steady in percent of sales to Vette for over 10 years.

So not sure why people think becuase Chevy sells a couple thousand more vettes than 370Z that that says anything relevant? Other than trend of Corvette out selling Z is contnuing. No suprise to me even if Nissan made the Z better it likely wouldnt outsell the Vette in the US.

JCat

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The 370Z was a disappointment for some of us . . . that is all.

Diesel350

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No it's not news. Point is that regardless of the economy the 370z is an overall disappointment. There is a reason that the 370z was one of the worst selling cars in Canada for the calendar year of 2011. Corvette was just being used as an example.

Shamu Z

370Z took care of all the problems with the outdated 350Z. Better suspension and chassis dynamics, real HP, better quality interior, etc.

LOL! Worst selling car in Canada? ....Really? Lets talk something relevant! Like sales in a real market such as the good ole US of A. And lets compare it to other sports cars.

Z outsold the Porsche Boxster and Cayman combined in 2011, It out sold the Porsche 911 too! It out sold Mazda RX8, It even out sold the car rated as best sports car buy by many publications the Mazda MX5. It out sold Mitsubishi Eclipse and the Mitsubishi EVO.

The car in the current economy is doing quite well compared to other sports cars!

Bottomline 370Z is a two seat sports car and all 2 seater sports cars are seeing huge fall in sales. Its the economic times not the design or inherint value of the 370 Z that is causing sales slump.

Here's some data for you. Hey it even includes Canada! Search to your hearts content! You will find Z had better sales than every sports car aside from the Corvette. At least try to base your argument in facts.

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/p/sales-stats.html

mw9

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Agreed the Z is in trouble, American companies are on the charge and the Z is getting left behind, I am a very loyal Z owner, but they need to step it up, I think it was one of the last motor trends, they have the Mustang GT beating the 370z around the track, thats no good

mw9

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sorry, double post

Shamu Z

I dont think next sports car from Nissan will be a Z. More likely a 240SX replacement to go after the Toyubi BRZ/FT86

Diesel350

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While there is a slight upgrade from the 350z, many felt it was not worth the upgrade and many in the market for a sports went with the competition.

.yes it's relevant.

. The Eclipse did not outsell the Z for 2011. Looks like someone needs to get their facts straight. Also, look at the 370z's YTD% change at -28.3 and it's worse than the majority of sports cars.
American sports cars completely killed the Z in 2011.
.Really? Then why did the Audi TT have a +238% change? Obviously the economy is not hurting Audi's sales.

thanks I'm well aware of that site and all my points are based on facts.

Shamu Z

370Z for me and many others is car that 350Z should have been. 350Z was OK but never had HP or handling that I expected. It was perfect car for my wife. 370Z has delivered on all fronts for many of us.

Uh Audi TT doing well? LOL! Check your facts. 2236 TT's sold in US in 2011 thats nearly a 1/3 of US 370Z sales. Looks like a big fail for Audi!

http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2011/01...s-figures.html

American Sports cars? I'm only aware of 2 two seater Sports cars made by big US manufaturers Viper and Corvette. Afraid 370Z wiped Viper off the map last year!

Hard to compare Z which is a true sports car to a much bigger Mustang , Charger or Camaro to true sports cars. Those cars really arent sports cars and they make tons for rental fleets that get numbers up as well. US Mustang, Camaro and Charger are more like Altima or Maxima. Altima crushed those cars.

As far as Eclipse goes 370Z has outsold it to general public. Mitsubishi sold a bunch cars of to rental fleets last year to keep there numbers propped up. You wont find many 370Z's in rental fleets! LOL!


Nope to me looks like every other 2 seat sports car is failing compared to the 370Z?

And sorry Canada isnt a relevant market for sports cars. Hmm wonder why TT is so popular there? A total of 450 cars in 2011. LOL! Surely nothing to do with AWD.

Here's more data for you. I forgot 370Z out sold BMW Z4 and the new Mini two seater Coupe first month of 2012 too!



http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/search/...?max-results=5

AroundMyHorn

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Umm, you do know they only made 300 vipers last year right?

JCat

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Nissan has the ability to hit a home run. They have the power . . . (IMO) they need to include it with better style.

Diesel350

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Uhh of course the Audi TT did not sell as many units as the 370z because the TT is a low volume player in the US. My whole point in bringing the TT into the discussion was to show you that the TT was an extreme success by increasing sales YTD 46% while 370z sales decreased 28% for 2011. So if the economy was a factor like you stated then the TT would have had declining sales for 2011.
You stated 2 DOOR sports car, did you not?

.So because the Mustang is a bigger car than the 370z it's not a sports car and it's not comparable? what is a GT-R then? Is the GT-R not a sports car?

where is this info?

Sales are down 28% for 2011, not sure how you think it's doing better than all the other brands if sales are decreasing while sales are increasing for other brands.

Shamu Z

Lol! That's a losing argument. TT has seen steady decline from around 10,000 units down to flat line of around 1500 then they shoved 5 cylinder turbo in the car and boosted sales by several hundred? Hardly a success story! If i follow your logic if I sell one car in 2010 and sell 2 next year I have experienced incredible 100% increase and had an incredible success.

Facts are facts 370 z in two seater category is cleaning Porsche, Audi, Mazda's, Mini and BmWs clocks.

Diesel350

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You obviously aren't getting it. If a product has a 28% decrease in sales in a year that is not a good sign any way you slice. You just need to take off your 370Z glasses and quit trying to defend the cars poor sales. It's not a popular car anymore. Get over it buddy!!

bmccann101

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swirly wheels blech.
new front end worse than the last one blech.

one more reason im happy to have what i own now.

sfearl1

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Loling @ mustangs being considered "sportscars".