Just to clarify.... the new Z Performance (and above) use the same Akebono set up from the Z34 Sport/Nismo.

I have had all three, standard, Brembo (on my 33N) and Akebono (on my 34N), the Akebono and Brembo pretty much equal in stopping power with decent modulation. I will say that if one "needs" more braking than the Akebono (for extended use on track or sloppy late braking - laff), your only recourse is moving up to a Stoptech Trophy or Brembo GT type setup with carbon pads (good luck warming those up on a cold morning) and two piece rotors to keep the weight down. And BTW, these 6P caliper setups "only" run on 355mm rotors... otherwise known as 14" rotors.

Have never overcooked either of the Sport setups even in emergencies (which are few and far between but the couple of times I needed to drop anchor in a hurry, no issues).

For the sake of comparison, sure, the Porsche 991 GT3 has 400+mm rotors and six piston calipers but as dkmura pointed out, cost IS an issue. And the Z isn't in the same league as the GT3, performance wise. Maybe the new Nismo will be up there but for now...

 

I can see the argument with keeping costs down, however having tiny brakes with the upgraded brakes being mostly adequate, doesn't work on a sports car built in 2022. Describing little brakes with small calipers as "massive" is insulting at best.

Oh I understand that the majority of owners aren't going to track the car and of course there are a ton of compromises the car makes due to where it is in the market, but having the "Performance Brakes" not be actual performance brakes sucks. Charge the extra $500 and make the standard brakes the performance ones and the performance ones an actual BBK. Don't make a hodgepodge of a car using 20 year old recycled parts. Make something special for crying out loud.

Just to point out, you mentioned the 991 GT3 having 400+mm rotors and six piston calipers, you don't need to spend that much. My BMW M2 Competition has standard 400mm, 6-piston (15.8 inch) front brakes and 380mm, 4-piston (15 inch) rear brakes. These are the standard US Spec brakes, not even the Carbon Ceramic. And my car costs a lot closer to the Z34 than a 991 GT3.

 

Although I'm not thrilled with Nissan's projected price point for the new Z. 40k is not unreasonable given the inflation of the USD. Just try comparing it to other vehicles in it's class. I think you're getting a pretty fair shake when you see how the market looks right now. I actually expect the price to increase more by the time of release.
-Icer

 

I get that. All I'm saying is that for the performance envelope of previous 4-piston braked Z's, the Brembo and Akebono sets are/were adequate for 98.5% of drivers. Now, the new Z, with 50 more ponies than the last Nismo Z, might call for more braking but I doubt it. The Akebono Sport/Nismo brakes are - debateable - performance brakes and they work well. As mentioned, I can attest to this. both of my Nismos stop at least as well as my SL55 with 6/4 pot Brembos over 360mm rotors but that's likely due to the weight factor. My SL goes like h*ll but also weighs almost a grand # more than my Zs.

Now, as for your M2 Comp, I'd say that the price differential between it and the new Z is pretty substantial, at a minimum, $10k. That kind of money buys a fair bit more. And, just to make another point, we're talking about a specialty built car by the elite Motorsport Division so one's gotta expect the good stuff on it. I make that point because a Nismo version of the new Z will likely have more power and that should dictate more brakes. But ya, if they continue with the 4-piston Akebono without at least upgrading rotors, pads, hydraulics/control on the Nismo version, I'll be right there with you telling Nissan off because near tell, it will be $10k more than the Sport or Performance versions and the car best not be a mere aero/packaging upgrade. Haha.

BTW, a friend of mine ordered and finally got his M2 Comp. Took several months but was worth it for him to get it with the manual trans. Brute car.

 

See the thing is yes $40k is in market value but it's also technically still a 370 so they don't need a whole lot of R&D here and all of that stuff was a carry over. This is what I think about Nissan when it comes to brakes and the Z33....all terrible unless it's Brembos. Makes the car a sad excuse for a sports car, yes it handles great but the brakes are TERRIBLE, in contrast my 2018 GTI has 340/310 brakes with SINGLE piston calipers and feels SO much better.
Same price point at max, starts much lower, has only about 240hp, math doesn't add up there.
I have the Nismo brakes on my Z and they are good but it's aftermarket, and it only really "feels" better than the GTI for actual stopping distance is similar.
my gripe with the new Z is how it is packaged very similar to the Miata where you can only choose basic (terrible) or top end which may have some stuff you don't want.

 

The M2 Comp had a base price of $58,900. That's $20k more or one and a half times the price of the base Z. If the base Z was $60k, I'm sure it would have better brakes.

 

Right, but the its not like the $20K is for the brakes alone. That's a fraction of the difference. Nissan needs to step their game up. Calling small brakes as 'massive' and hoping their marking department makes up for their cheapness sucks.
Like I said, add $500 to the MSRP and give it sports car brakes.

 

I think I just expect too much from Nissan. I wish the car excited me more like it did when I got my Z in 07. Those were the days. There's about a $20K difference between the new Z and a new M2C (they stopped production in June of this year so there's no new ones left). Because of the craziness of the chip shortage, used cars are selling for upwards of $20K more than new, back in 2019/20. That SL55 has got to be a beast, i'm sure with a tune and some bolt ons that thing is a rocket.

 

To be fair they are "massive" for Japanese cars, not so much for German cars but they are generally heavier so they need them. I understand your disappointment because I feel the same way about Nissan calling the Z "All-new" when they know damn sure that's a lie.
I'd take any Z over most German cars TBH, but the new one is DOA for me. It won't have those old Z qualities.

 

I think it would be nice if Nissan came out with a Z35 model with the approach that (dare I say it) Subaru did with their WRX and have a "TR" version or "tuner-ready" model since modifying Z's is pretty popular. It would be a similar, very stripped-down, base model of the Z35 for all of us that are unhappy with the recycled old Z33/34 parts and want to upgrade to aftermarket wheels, brakes, seats, exhaust, etc. I'm no marketing genius, but it seems like this would be fairly easy to do since you would be deleting things instead of adding them and it would drop the price point a little bit making it more appealing to a larger crowd. I get it that probably the "new" Z crowd is likely more interested in a turn-key model and not modifying, and that Nissan doesn't want to besmirch the new Z's image with something lackluster, but they would sell more IMO.

Then, you could build your "Fismo" and let the haters hate.

 

Hey Fismo is real lol. I'd agree to a point some people like me would not want a base, but not a sport either.... give me an option to buy a base and add upgraded brakes, LSD, and launch control without the other gimmicks. Why does everything have to be a package FFS? I don't need exhaust valves or stupid fake noise, I have my German car for that! They need to do what GM, Lotus and others do and let you customize the car, let us choose our caliper, wheel, and interior color. Let us choose upgraded audio if desired, it reminds me of the Hyundai commercial saying you can go with this or you can go with that, I don't want 2 options I want many!

 

Japanese and Korean car makers stopped doing that back in the 80's. Streamlined production reduces costs. Most Hyundai models, the only options are dealer installed accessories like floor mats and ambient lighting.

 

https://www.nissanzclub.com/forum/th...or-2023-z.439/

 

 

Oh goodness, someone triggered Dark with a mere picture of the new Z… again. People, we need to be more careful and sensitive about his blood pressure.

 

Helen Keller and Ray Charles like the looks of it

 

Trav, Trav, Trav.... careful, you might upset someone!


Not me but what DOES tick me off, I still don't get no royalties for pic of me as a child.

 

Blood pressure is already messed up anyway lol. I just want to meet whoever thought that front end was acceptable and ask them what the heck they were thinking. That's just gotta be the worst front end of Z generations ever!

 

It was probably not the designer's choice. May be necessary for cooling. Definitely will make fitting a large aftermarket intercooler easier. Less likely to cause overheating. I don't give two s***s about styling if it interferes with function.

 

It IS possible to have both.