One of the tuner mags recently did a short story about how much power the GTR really makes. They compared track times and dyno numbers from pre-production cars and two production models. The basic consensus was that the production cars are making close to 530HP at the crank, not the advertised 480HP.

 

That's quite a marketing ploy by Nissan.

 

Maybe Porsche should get Toshio Suzuki to test drive their cars. Who knows, he may better their times.

 

Bummer! I guess I gotta cancel that order now.

ha ha!

 

So why are customer bought GT-R's running 11.6-11.7? Even a 11.5

 

Who cares, the ACR smoked them both

 

 

trooof!

 

Also remember, 25 seconds on a that track time is just a hair over 5% of the total time.

Do you think a pro driver could cut off 5% of the time as compared to a chassis engineer?
I think a pro-driver could be 5% faster in a car hes lapped several times as compared to someone who hasnt.

 

Not going to get into whether or not the times are realistic. However, I will debate the thought that the engineers used are novice drivers. Many of them employed by automakers are former professional drivers with alot of seat time.

If that were the case, then the ZR-1 would be capable of a 7:05 - 7:10 lap time; afterall, the GM claimed time was obtained using an engineer, not professional driver as well.

 

 

And some people need to keep there knickers from getting in a twist
This forum is for discussing which is what were doing. If you want to go ahead and start insulting people then go and join a civic forum.

 

I wonder what Porsche is going to say when the SPEC-V laps the 'Ring...

 

6speedonline's responses ----> http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/9...last-post.html

 

these threads are the reason i still visit the forum haha. nissan made a very good car, it will be interesting how they respond to porsches accusations.

 

RWD is NOT superior to AWD. AWD will nearly always have the advantage coming out of corners, particularly if it's set up for performance driving (as in the GT-R) the reason some AWD cars may be slower than their FWD or RWD counterparts is because of the massive weight penalty they take due to all that AWD equipment. This weight penalty often offsets any advantage AWD offered. The higher the horsepower of the vehicle the more advantage AWD has, PARTICULARLY on a track like the nurburgring that is so long the conditions could change literally every lap around.

The reason most race cars are RWD is because AWD cars are generally against the rules. This is done primarily because of the cost and complexity of AWD. The best way to kill a racing series is to make it so expensive to compete, only the richest teams will be competitive. Oh and to have lots of mechanical failures, an inevitable consequence of added complexity.

ask yourself this: Why are WRC cars running AWD in Germany, or Corsica or any of the other Tarmac rallys? Certainly it would not be that hard to simply send no power to the front wheels, and yet they still do it....because the cars are already handicapped with the weight penalty and they'll get out of turns much faster with the front wheels receiving a portion of the torque.

BTW i have no idea about weather or not nissan is lying. I just needed to end all this RWD>AWD nonesense.

 

please enlighten me. I've heard this before and it's driving me NUTS!

 

Spaghetti Spaghetti Spaghetti Spaghetti

 

AW goddamnit! now i'm ashamed of myself.....

 

Best motoring 7/2008

They ran 07:29:03

The tires are... see pic

And Best motoring 10/2008 nsx vs porsche gt vs gtr @ Maze