Lets talk price of the GTR ...in a few years
12-10-2010, 05:04 AM
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You know I thought about all these things before I pulled the trigger on an 09 used. Found a white one for an unbelievable deal and only 6000 miles on it. I knew that they were going to drop in value VERY slowly. Wasn't worth waiting 3 years to save $10K. As for the brakes you can get aftermarket rotors and pads for very decent pricing (Girodisc has some great pricing on their new rotors for it). As for trans, I had Shep build mine prior to anything going wrong with it. I don't expect to see any issues at all other than changing fluids of course which I can do myself. Yes modifying it is a bit pricer (MUCH pricier if you use AMS or Switzer) but can be done semi-affordably and the engine seems very stout. I don't see them dipping into the 30's for a very long time. They are stilll up over $60K just like they were a year ago.
12-10-2010, 10:19 PM
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There are no third parties here. And neither of us has a prior relationship.
I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about. Did you not click on the link in my post?
1) I posted hard numbers that I went to effort to obtain for your edification, and real Nissan product costs for OEM products. If you believe that I made them up, go to CourtesyParts.com and look for yourself. There is nothing to discuss here - you have no counter argument here. You will just say "some other people bought aftermarket, look at my forum!". That does not change the OEM costs.
2) I looked at your forum and saw a few recounted numbers of folks who found cheap brake pads and some other parts in aftermarket. First, the cheapest random part is not what you should use. Second, I went and LOOKED UP ACTUAL AFTERMARKET PRICES AND INCLUDED THEM IN MY POST to demonstate the comparison. But you didn't read it.
Savorous sloths amaze:
http://www.conceptzperformance.com/C..._Type=GTR&UID=
http://www.courtesyparts.com/gtr-par...10-c-7727.html
I've already done the legwork, and I've given you an average summary of prices. Don't you dare say I didn't back it up with documentation.
The problem is that you are denial about the car and have convinced yourself that it will cost no more than any other Nissan Z to maintain. Nobody is going to change your opinion, and that's fine, make the mistake and cry about it later. Your problem, not ours.
GT-R owners aren't paying nearly anything close to what you're quoting. Like I said look at the FORUMS and you will get the information. I have looked at everything as I was going to buy the car, and a 7500 dollars is not true.
FACT: The OEM parts from Nissan do show that to be the cost (I've already posted the prices, how about you address the hard number instead of hand-waving). I have even provided examples.
FACT: You can go aftermarket and get it somewhat cheaper. I have also provided examples of those costs.
I've already stated all of these. WHAT ISN'T TRUE? Further, you haven't provided ANYTHING in terms of numbers and facts - just a link to a a forum where some people say they got cheap brake pads. Bravo.
You don't have any documentation to back up your claims.
Oh and your logic of "Generally speaking, the only person who can afford to own one is a person who can afford the new sticker price without flinching" is indeed flawed. So you're basically saying that only a person that can afford a new GT-R can only afford a used one as well? That logic makes no sense. You don't make sense. So go back get learn some logic and then we can talk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xywqv1cDH8
The other posts in this thread already address these costs - you're going to need a specialist with the right tools. There are no Zs with expenses like these, and if the parts can cost $17,000, then you better have at least that much cash on hand.
What is going on here is that you have convinced yourself that you are buying a used GT-R, but you don't have the cash to back up the repairs that you are going to need, and you are upset that your cognitive dissonance on the subject is being revealed.
Go buy yourself a GT-R, I encourage you to do it. And I'm sure you will find $100 brake pads, $10 oil changes, and $1000 transmissions from magical places in far off lands. Either way, if you offer a rebuttal, it better have some factual sources of information byeond hearsay links or we're going to ignore you.
12-13-2010, 04:40 AM
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You know what Maelstrom you win dude. All GT-R owners pay $7500.00 dollars to change their pads, rotors, and fluids.
This is how you will be addressed from now on:
"Maelstrom the guy that pays $7500 dollars to have his GT-R brakes done."
(Do you even own a BBK?)
You're the know it all for GT-R brake job prices....bravo you win the internet.
This is how you will be addressed from now on:
"Maelstrom the guy that pays $7500 dollars to have his GT-R brakes done."
(Do you even own a BBK?)
You're the know it all for GT-R brake job prices....bravo you win the internet.
12-13-2010, 06:35 AM
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The problem is that you are denial about the car and have convinced yourself that it will cost no more than any other Nissan Z to maintain. Nobody is going to change your opinion, and that's fine, make the mistake and cry about it later. Your problem, not ours.
What is going on here is that you have convinced yourself that you are buying a used GT-R, but you don't have the cash to back up the repairs that you are going to need, and you are upset that your cognitive dissonance on the subject is being revealed.
You still do this day cannot prove that. Showing me prices of rotors, and pads doesn't do ****. You have no invoices that show how many labor hours it takes to complete. You have not provided labor rates as they vary by dealership. By looking at the links you posted you seem to not know that there are other performance shops that can service the GT-R besides Nissan. THAT OFFER CHEAPER PRICES!!
You still have not proven to me that a GT-R's brake job will cost $7500!!!!
Keep the context of the argument you arrogant a$$hole.
Unlike you I'm a reasonable person that if someone proved their argument to be sound, with facts and logic.
Can you even afford a GT-R? Do you even own a 350z? Have you ever worked on cars before? Do you even own a garage? I bet you're one of those guys that just pays people to work on your car no matter the price, and thinks he's God's gift to tuning or you tell people you built it yourself. I bet you're one of those type of guys.
Again you have no clue what you started by being such an arrogant a$$.
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12-16-2010, 05:06 AM
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dear god that's cheap. In Australia you wouldn't get into a 370z for that price. A 370z is around $70kUSD drive away including taxes.
A GTR costs over $150k here.
I need to move to america. Will someone adopt me?
A GTR costs over $150k here.
I need to move to america. Will someone adopt me?
12-16-2010, 06:13 PM
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You know after reading your stupid post I came across these statements, and you really pissed me off. Nobody is in denial of anything you arrogant a$$hole. Your statements above prove that you're again clueless. Not once have I complained about the maintenance on the GT-R. If your reading comprehension was a little better you would have seen that I had already decided on buying the car, and had found one I wanted. I have plenty of cash to back up the car's maintenance so please don't go there. I will just come to Bellevue, WA and buy your house just to evict your arrogant a$$. People like you despise me. Trying to come across as some kind of expert when all you really are is a *****. I wouldn't buy a used car if I didn't have all the facts about it maintenance cycles.
You still do this day cannot prove that. Showing me prices of rotors, and pads doesn't do ****. You have no invoices that show how many labor hours it takes to complete. You have not provided labor rates as they vary by dealership. By looking at the links you posted you seem to not know that there are other performance shops that can service the GT-R besides Nissan. THAT OFFER CHEAPER PRICES!!
You still have not proven to me that a GT-R's brake job will cost $7500!!!!
Keep the context of the argument you arrogant a$$hole.
Unlike you I'm a reasonable person that if someone proved their argument to be sound, with facts and logic.
Can you even afford a GT-R? Do you even own a 350z? Have you ever worked on cars before? Do you even own a garage? I bet you're one of those guys that just pays people to work on your car no matter the price, and thinks he's God's gift to tuning or you tell people you built it yourself. I bet you're one of those type of guys.
Again you have no clue what you started by being such an arrogant a$$.
You still do this day cannot prove that. Showing me prices of rotors, and pads doesn't do ****. You have no invoices that show how many labor hours it takes to complete. You have not provided labor rates as they vary by dealership. By looking at the links you posted you seem to not know that there are other performance shops that can service the GT-R besides Nissan. THAT OFFER CHEAPER PRICES!!
You still have not proven to me that a GT-R's brake job will cost $7500!!!!
Keep the context of the argument you arrogant a$$hole.
Unlike you I'm a reasonable person that if someone proved their argument to be sound, with facts and logic.
Can you even afford a GT-R? Do you even own a 350z? Have you ever worked on cars before? Do you even own a garage? I bet you're one of those guys that just pays people to work on your car no matter the price, and thinks he's God's gift to tuning or you tell people you built it yourself. I bet you're one of those type of guys.
Again you have no clue what you started by being such an arrogant a$$.
BTW the stock brakes squeal like hell in cold weather and so much dust.
12-18-2010, 10:31 AM
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That's...
I just replaced all the pads F&R on my 2010 for under $350. with Hawk HPS pads. Everyone make replacement parts for the GT-R now. A myriad of web sites carry just about every part so don't worry about maintenance cost
BTW the stock brakes squeal like hell in cold weather and so much dust.
BTW the stock brakes squeal like hell in cold weather and so much dust.
.- RB.
12-19-2010, 08:58 AM
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Just wanted to chime in on this response, the trans side of things is going to happen to just about every GTR, no two ways about it unfortunately. But if the owners of the GTR's are intelligent they will come to certified GR6 trans rebuilders where we can upgrade the transmission to be bullet proof and repair whats broken, in most cases for less than just the cost of the OEM transmission itself. Parts AND labor.
Now if they go off and ignore it until they shred the gearsets, then the cost is going to rise a good bit, but it's still a push to get above the cost of just the transmission from nissan directly.
That being said, as someone who has been trained on the GR6 transmission and is certified to rebuild it, i will say beyond the shadow of a doubt that will not be a IF cost, it will be a WHEN cost for all GTR owners... and the GR6 is not something an owner will ever be able to service themselves unless they have north of 20k of tooling in their garage. It's a mega pain to work on, but it's also a mega impressive gearbox when it works too!
Now if they go off and ignore it until they shred the gearsets, then the cost is going to rise a good bit, but it's still a push to get above the cost of just the transmission from nissan directly.
That being said, as someone who has been trained on the GR6 transmission and is certified to rebuild it, i will say beyond the shadow of a doubt that will not be a IF cost, it will be a WHEN cost for all GTR owners... and the GR6 is not something an owner will ever be able to service themselves unless they have north of 20k of tooling in their garage. It's a mega pain to work on, but it's also a mega impressive gearbox when it works too!
We are one of the only shops in the country that do complete GT-R transmission upgrades, repairs and overhauls entirely in house. Gone are the days of a $23K OEM replacement transmission change, should the slightest thing go wrong. The fact is, the transmission is tough as nails people. I put 250hrs of direct race track time on mine before finally loosing 4th gear. Disassembled, replaced bad part, cleaned, rinsed, and back in business.
250hrs of race time on gearbox before failure is unprecedented in the motorsports world.Second, those that goto the dealer for rotors, fluid changes, and maintenance are doing themselves a disservice, and I can only assume they are highly misinformed. The prices from the dealer are double or sometimes triple what these services and parts cost in the aftermarket.
With respect to resale value, the GT-R depreciates a little more slowly than other Nissan's, but people should stop thinking of depreciation. A GT-R, or just about any car, is not an investment or a good asset to own. Buy it for enjoyment, plain and simple. It's like going on a vacation and spending $5K...it's for enjoyment.
For what it's worth my contacts at Nissan tell me the GT-R is likely going to be a nearly decade long platform run, before the R36 makes an appearance. So there still's still plenty of time to enjoy that 2009 R35 that you can currently pickup clean for $60k. Best of luck folks!
12-20-2010, 05:57 PM
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...........For what it's worth my contacts at Nissan tell me the GT-R is likely going to be a nearly decade long platform run, before the R36 makes an appearance. So there still's still plenty of time to enjoy that 2009 R35 that you can currently pickup clean for $60k. Best of luck folks!
12-22-2010, 01:56 PM
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You know after reading your stupid post I came across these statements, and you really pissed me off. Nobody is in denial of anything you arrogant a$$hole. Your statements above prove that you're again clueless. Not once have I complained about the maintenance on the GT-R. If your reading comprehension was a little better you would have seen that I had already decided on buying the car, and had found one I wanted. I have plenty of cash to back up the car's maintenance so please don't go there. I will just come to Bellevue, WA and buy your house just to evict your arrogant a$$. People like you despise me. Trying to come across as some kind of expert when all you really are is a *****. I wouldn't buy a used car if I didn't have all the facts about it maintenance cycles.
You still do this day cannot prove that. Showing me prices of rotors, and pads doesn't do ****. You have no invoices that show how many labor hours it takes to complete. You have not provided labor rates as they vary by dealership. By looking at the links you posted you seem to not know that there are other performance shops that can service the GT-R besides Nissan. THAT OFFER CHEAPER PRICES!!
You still have not proven to me that a GT-R's brake job will cost $7500!!!!
Keep the context of the argument you arrogant a$$hole.
Unlike you I'm a reasonable person that if someone proved their argument to be sound, with facts and logic.
Can you even afford a GT-R? Do you even own a 350z? Have you ever worked on cars before? Do you even own a garage? I bet you're one of those guys that just pays people to work on your car no matter the price, and thinks he's God's gift to tuning or you tell people you built it yourself. I bet you're one of those type of guys.
Again you have no clue what you started by being such an arrogant a$$.
You still do this day cannot prove that. Showing me prices of rotors, and pads doesn't do ****. You have no invoices that show how many labor hours it takes to complete. You have not provided labor rates as they vary by dealership. By looking at the links you posted you seem to not know that there are other performance shops that can service the GT-R besides Nissan. THAT OFFER CHEAPER PRICES!!
You still have not proven to me that a GT-R's brake job will cost $7500!!!!
Keep the context of the argument you arrogant a$$hole.
Unlike you I'm a reasonable person that if someone proved their argument to be sound, with facts and logic.
Can you even afford a GT-R? Do you even own a 350z? Have you ever worked on cars before? Do you even own a garage? I bet you're one of those guys that just pays people to work on your car no matter the price, and thinks he's God's gift to tuning or you tell people you built it yourself. I bet you're one of those type of guys.
Again you have no clue what you started by being such an arrogant a$$.
12-23-2010, 12:53 AM
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Maelstrom the GT-R brake guru knows more about prices than the performance shops. He says that ALL GT-R owners pay $7500 to change their pads, rotors, and fluids.
12-23-2010, 12:57 AM
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I just replaced all the pads F&R on my 2010 for under $350. with Hawk HPS pads. Everyone make replacement parts for the GT-R now. A myriad of web sites carry just about every part so don't worry about maintenance cost
BTW the stock brakes squeal like hell in cold weather and so much dust.
BTW the stock brakes squeal like hell in cold weather and so much dust.
For those who want to see a variety:
http://www.conceptzperformance.com/C...32998.247.30.5