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Old 10-23-2010, 10:18 AM   #41
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My friend..theres a 25k price different on what we paid for the XF SC and the GTR...

lol..i was thinking the same thing..big price difference there..apples and oranges comparison
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Old 10-23-2010, 02:43 PM   #42
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Well I got tired of waiting and the price seemed right so I pulled the trigger today.....






































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Old 10-24-2010, 12:05 PM   #43
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^^Unlikely the GT-R will be killed, more likely a major model revision.
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:01 PM   #44
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car and the car alone is great. Everything around it, the price, availability, premium adjustments, servicing, dealer understanding is equally terrible.

I don't know...for me, it didn't live up to what it was suppose to be in all those other aspects. I just try to appreciate it in its purest form, as a driving machine.

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I was looking to get a supra a while back and I saw the KGB was like 17k. Sweet! I went on auto trader and ppl were asking 25-30k+ for a stock one. (turbo, 6mt) This was in 02 I believe. Clean 240's sell for over KBb as do really clean crx's.

Just gotta hope the gtr will stay in production for many more years to come!
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:25 PM   #46
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So on the way home today...I stopped at the grocery store to pick up a few things...as I pulled into the parking lot I see out of the corner of my eye a Gunmetal gray 2009?GTR...so i pull up like two stalls down and start to observe this creature...I started to sweat and kept on thinking what if I had one...Ive always wanted one but not as bad now..maybe because I am in love with my Z again?Anyways..so i sat there stalking the car for a bit...started calculating my payments,my income,my future obligations,where I want to be in 5 years etc etc...so i came to think about a few things...this is where I want some feedback...

Right now a good deal on a 09 GTR is like 55K-60K?am i right?

So my question....in say 2014-15 what will a 09 GTR with decent mileage sell for realistically?

Am i dreaming if i think 30K?..this would be my daily..for work,gym etc..just like how my Z is now.

Let me know your thoughts if you think Im out to lunch.
Honestly, at the end of the day, it's a Nissan and depreciation will hit it as such. I will paint you an example: take a look at the BMW M6. Only 12,000 were made, half of which were convertibles. My brother has a 2006, was one of the first to get it in the US. Price tag on a new M6 was $103-110K. Today, 4 1/2 years later, his car with 36,000 miles is worth $40-$45. And that's a BMW. That's nearly 60% depreciation. What makes you think it won't be worse for a Nissan?

I've seen GTRs in the high $50s range already, but most are in the $60s and some low-mileage in the $70s. In 5 years time, they will no doubt be had for mid to high 30s. They are limited in availability, but not quite as much as a Ferrari. And either way, rarity doesn't keep the value of the car higher in this case. A Porsche 911 Turbo, or Bentley CGT, or Benz CL-class are a dime a dozen, but hold their value superbly well despite being on every corner.
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Go look at inflation and the false market recovery. In three years a GTR will be going for 12 cartons of smokes and a fifth of Jack....
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Old 10-24-2010, 08:29 PM   #48
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I have a 3 Year plan to buy the last year of the GTR they will offer (if everything goes to plan and they actually do stop selling it in 2014 like everyone claims haha). 530 HP hear I come

By the way, whereabouts in Van do you live? I live in Surrey and Id love to see your Varrostens. Im thinking about buying a pair myself but I am unsure what they will look like on a CS 2006.
Im in Slurrey as well...PM me i will give you my addy
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Honestly, at the end of the day, it's a Nissan and depreciation will hit it as such. I will paint you an example: take a look at the BMW M6. Only 12,000 were made, half of which were convertibles. My brother has a 2006, was one of the first to get it in the US. Price tag on a new M6 was $103-110K. Today, 4 1/2 years later, his car with 36,000 miles is worth $40-$45. And that's a BMW. That's nearly 60% depreciation. What makes you think it won't be worse for a Nissan?

I've seen GTRs in the high $50s range already, but most are in the $60s and some low-mileage in the $70s. In 5 years time, they will no doubt be had for mid to high 30s. They are limited in availability, but not quite as much as a Ferrari. And either way, rarity doesn't keep the value of the car higher in this case. A Porsche 911 Turbo, or Bentley CGT, or Benz CL-class are a dime a dozen, but hold their value superbly well despite being on every corner.

Well said Arnold...I like your thinking.
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Am for sure going to save up for the next 2yrs to get this car, It is my dream car. A 2009-10 GTr will be in the $40's I hope.
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Old 11-26-2010, 12:05 PM   #51
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^^^Got my copy of Motortrend in the mail recently. Their long term GT-R has a residual in the high $40k's(?......can't recall, it's at home and I'm at work). Anywhoo the value was pretty shocking.
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Old 12-05-2010, 01:34 PM   #52
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That's very excessive. GT-R owners are doing pads, rotors, and fluids for waaaaaaayyyy less than that.... There is no documentation to back that price up.
In your dreams, this is a Unicorn car - it was never meant for general public consumption. So I'm going to break it to you softly - the parts on the GT-R are designed to recoup the expense of making the car. Nissan takes a loss on each one. When I was at the dealer, I saw the price list for many of the components and I asked the service manager about it. The brake jobs ARE $7500 and owners are paying it. Transmissions and mechnicals are insane.

Examples: if you go on CourtesyParts.com and look up the GT-R seats, the components for just the trim pieces are $290 each. The seat assembly together is over $9000. The stripped down turbochargers (with no surrounding parts) are $1824 each. Front brake pad kit (just the pads) is $670. Each caliper assembly is $1033. The transaxle assembly with transfer case is $17,192. The final drive assembly (also needed) is $1472.

Scenario 1:
Suppose you need new brake pads and rotors. You are looking at 2x$670 = $1340 in pads. Then a $1200 per rotor. Add labor, and you are easily into the $5000-$6000 range. When you say there is "no documentation", there IS documentation, you just need to go look up the pricing in the parts guides.

Scenario 2:
Your transmission begins to fail. You notice grinding under heavy acceleration and there is a slipping. Turns out you need a new transaxle, propeller shaft, and your bellhousing is leaking. You are going to pay over $22,500 for those parts, not including labor.

The numbers are real, you can check them yourself. Nissan is the only place you can buy most of these parts. The Z06 is built on Chev parts and will cost you a fraction of these numbers.

This is just how it is - there is no avoiding some of the parts that the car requires. In fact, it would not take much of an accident for an insurance company to total the car because the parts will easily exceed the $40,000 for buying a used one. Generally speaking, the only person who can afford to own one is a person who can afford the new sticker price without flinching.

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Old 12-05-2010, 01:56 PM   #53
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Ok, and one more note.. you can cheap out on 3rd party parts, but they are still expensive. All four rotors is still going to cost $2600 in parts, and $500 in brake pads. That's $3100 without labor..

AP Racing 378x30mm Rear Replacement Brake Discs R35 GTR
Price:$1158.00

AP Racing 378x34mm Front Replacement Brake Discs R35 GTR
Price:$1196.00

Ferodo GTR DS2500 Front Brake Pads 2008 R35
Price:$349.00

Greddy GTR Turbo Upgrade Kit TD06SH-20G
Price:$11210.00

AAM Competition GTR Premium Sports Exhaust V1 - Varible Volume
Price:$2994.99

AAM Competition GTR V1 Intake System
Price:$474.99

Mine's Esta Full Spec Suspension II
Price:$9980.00


Too rich for me.
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Old 12-05-2010, 02:52 PM   #54
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In your dreams, this is a Unicorn car - it was never meant for general public consumption. So I'm going to break it to you softly - the parts on the GT-R are designed to recoup the expense of making the car. Nissan takes a loss on each one. When I was at the dealer, I saw the price list for many of the components and I asked the service manager about it. The brake jobs ARE $7500 and owners are paying it. Transmissions and mechnicals are insane.

Examples: if you go on CourtesyParts.com and look up the GT-R seats, the components for just the trim pieces are $290 each. The seat assembly together is over $9000. The stripped down turbochargers (with no surrounding parts) are $1824 each. Front brake pad kit (just the pads) is $670. Each caliper assembly is $1033. The transaxle assembly with transfer case is $17,192. The final drive assembly (also needed) is $1472.

Scenario 1:
Suppose you need new brake pads and rotors. You are looking at 2x$670 = $1340 in pads. Then a $1200 per rotor. Add labor, and you are easily into the $5000-$6000 range. When you say there is "no documentation", there IS documentation, you just need to go look up the pricing in the parts guides.

Scenario 2:
Your transmission begins to fail. You notice grinding under heavy acceleration and there is a slipping. Turns out you need a new transaxle, propeller shaft, and your bellhousing is leaking. You are going to pay over $22,500 for those parts, not including labor.

The numbers are real, you can check them yourself. Nissan is the only place you can buy most of these parts. The Z06 is built on Chev parts and will cost you a fraction of these numbers.

This is just how it is - there is no avoiding some of the parts that the car requires. In fact, it would not take much of an accident for an insurance company to total the car because the parts will easily exceed the $40,000 for buying a used one. Generally speaking, the only person who can afford to own one is a person who can afford the new sticker price without flinching.
Just wanted to chime in on this response, the trans side of things is going to happen to just about every GTR, no two ways about it unfortunately. But if the owners of the GTR's are intelligent they will come to certified GR6 trans rebuilders where we can upgrade the transmission to be bullet proof and repair whats broken, in most cases for less than just the cost of the OEM transmission itself. Parts AND labor.

Now if they go off and ignore it until they shred the gearsets, then the cost is going to rise a good bit, but it's still a push to get above the cost of just the transmission from nissan directly.

That being said, as someone who has been trained on the GR6 transmission and is certified to rebuild it, i will say beyond the shadow of a doubt that will not be a IF cost, it will be a WHEN cost for all GTR owners... and the GR6 is not something an owner will ever be able to service themselves unless they have north of 20k of tooling in their garage. It's a mega pain to work on, but it's also a mega impressive gearbox when it works too!
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If I am looking forward to buying a car in 2013, I certainly am not going to worry about it now. I will look at a used GT-R, and the new 390Z hybrid. Then decide which best suits my needs.
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in 35 years it will be $2,000
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So it costs around the same as parts for a 911 turbo of just about any vintage???

Seems cheap then.
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Old 12-08-2010, 08:54 AM   #60
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Don't get yourself worked up. If maelstrom is willing to buy all his parts from a dealer and pay all that markup, then so be it.
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