2006 Roadster Option Differences?
lol, I have no idea why I called those rays...tired and drunk I guess.
So...got to the dealership this morning and got the run around that I expected. I bought this car used with 5,000 miles for those who didn't know the whole scoop. So, first the manager tries to say that I changed them out sometime after purchase. The salesman that I bought it from actually came to bat for me on that one, because I pointed out the amber strips weren't lighting up. So then he says he wants the techs to check the production date, because I guess some the '06's that came out in the end of '05 had that style light. Production of 01/06, no dice for him on that one. So then he has the techs working on the car for another 45 minutes. They pull it out and everything is working fine. So after all that trouble, he says since those were the lights on the car when I bought it, AND they are working fine now...I'm stuck. He said that was the GM's decision. He said when he asked the GM if they could replace my lights, the first questions out of his mouth was, "How much did we make off of him?". So, since they weren't able to rape me in the sale, they weren't gonna take care of me after the sale and that I can be on my way....unreal.
So...got to the dealership this morning and got the run around that I expected. I bought this car used with 5,000 miles for those who didn't know the whole scoop. So, first the manager tries to say that I changed them out sometime after purchase. The salesman that I bought it from actually came to bat for me on that one, because I pointed out the amber strips weren't lighting up. So then he says he wants the techs to check the production date, because I guess some the '06's that came out in the end of '05 had that style light. Production of 01/06, no dice for him on that one. So then he has the techs working on the car for another 45 minutes. They pull it out and everything is working fine. So after all that trouble, he says since those were the lights on the car when I bought it, AND they are working fine now...I'm stuck. He said that was the GM's decision. He said when he asked the GM if they could replace my lights, the first questions out of his mouth was, "How much did we make off of him?". So, since they weren't able to rape me in the sale, they weren't gonna take care of me after the sale and that I can be on my way....unreal.
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Being its a used car you are pretty much out of luck.. If it was new then that would be a different story... Odds are the previously owner probably had a friend who had a 03-05 Z and being he was going to trade it in he swapped out the lights with his friend...
Although If memory serves me right the 03-05 rear taillights require 2 connections and the 06' only require 1 connection... if this is the case then something shouldn't be working on your taillights... Might want to check it out
Although If memory serves me right the 03-05 rear taillights require 2 connections and the 06' only require 1 connection... if this is the case then something shouldn't be working on your taillights... Might want to check it out
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Originally Posted by Infern0
lol, I have no idea why I called those rays...tired and drunk I guess.
So...got to the dealership this morning and got the run around that I expected. I bought this car used with 5,000 miles for those who didn't know the whole scoop. So, first the manager tries to say that I changed them out sometime after purchase. The salesman that I bought it from actually came to bat for me on that one, because I pointed out the amber strips weren't lighting up. So then he says he wants the techs to check the production date, because I guess some the '06's that came out in the end of '05 had that style light. Production of 01/06, no dice for him on that one. So then he has the techs working on the car for another 45 minutes. They pull it out and everything is working fine. So after all that trouble, he says since those were the lights on the car when I bought it, AND they are working fine now...I'm stuck. He said that was the GM's decision. He said when he asked the GM if they could replace my lights, the first questions out of his mouth was, "How much did we make off of him?". So, since they weren't able to rape me in the sale, they weren't gonna take care of me after the sale and that I can be on my way....unreal.
So...got to the dealership this morning and got the run around that I expected. I bought this car used with 5,000 miles for those who didn't know the whole scoop. So, first the manager tries to say that I changed them out sometime after purchase. The salesman that I bought it from actually came to bat for me on that one, because I pointed out the amber strips weren't lighting up. So then he says he wants the techs to check the production date, because I guess some the '06's that came out in the end of '05 had that style light. Production of 01/06, no dice for him on that one. So then he has the techs working on the car for another 45 minutes. They pull it out and everything is working fine. So after all that trouble, he says since those were the lights on the car when I bought it, AND they are working fine now...I'm stuck. He said that was the GM's decision. He said when he asked the GM if they could replace my lights, the first questions out of his mouth was, "How much did we make off of him?". So, since they weren't able to rape me in the sale, they weren't gonna take care of me after the sale and that I can be on my way....unreal.
dang, what a bunch of jerks....
but then again, car salesmen are.....some nice....but most are jerks
Originally Posted by Built2shredZ
Although If memory serves me right the 03-05 rear taillights require 2 connections and the 06' only require 1 connection... if this is the case then something shouldn't be working on your taillights... Might want to check it out
Alright, after inspecting what I could of the back of the light fixture without actually removing the lights, here are pictures of what I saw. Looks like there was some wire splicing going on back there, but I can't say for sure without seeing another '06's lights.
Could someone with an '06 please check out their light wires and see if they could possibly come from the factory this ****ty? I think I just figured out how they got my amber light strips to work. If they really did require 2 wire sets, they had to do some splicing. They told me that the connector was just loose, which didn't make any sense to me because the rest of the lights worked. If it was looses, NONE of them would work. This would also explain why it took them a total of 40 minutes, to "fix the loose connector"!
ANYONE VERIFY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will kill them!
Last edited by Infern0; Dec 2, 2006 at 11:02 AM. Reason: pics
Alright....just ran over to the next nearest Nissan dealership and one of the sales persons opened the hood for me to poke around a little bit before he started to get nervous at what I was doing. I does look like there is some kind of electrical taping going on back there...but, can't be sure to what extent mine is doing without taking everything off.
Alright, in all seriousness though, would I be the only one who liked the look of the older lights anyway? I just like the amber strip on the side of the lights that lights up when the parking lights are on. I'm not just saying this cause it looks like I'm stuck with them, because I'm going to pursue getting the '06 lights now on principal alone, but, it has a certain smoothness that I like more. Something about all the dotty things around the top of the '06 light just doesn't do it for me. I'm alone on this one? But yeah, I'm gonna still try to get the '06 lights because I'm pissed, and probably just sell them for a discount. Or maybe I'll give up and just enjoy my lights and my '06 Roadster. Thoughts?
Alright, in all seriousness though, would I be the only one who liked the look of the older lights anyway? I just like the amber strip on the side of the lights that lights up when the parking lights are on. I'm not just saying this cause it looks like I'm stuck with them, because I'm going to pursue getting the '06 lights now on principal alone, but, it has a certain smoothness that I like more. Something about all the dotty things around the top of the '06 light just doesn't do it for me. I'm alone on this one? But yeah, I'm gonna still try to get the '06 lights because I'm pissed, and probably just sell them for a discount. Or maybe I'll give up and just enjoy my lights and my '06 Roadster. Thoughts?
Originally Posted by Infern0
I bought this car used with 5,000 miles...
I'm stuck.
I'm stuck.
BTW it is a beautiful roadster.
Originally Posted by Infern0
OMG...can someone verify this off hand? Anyone have the service manual?
Alright, after inspecting what I could of the back of the light fixture without actually removing the lights, here are pictures of what I saw. Looks like there was some wire splicing going on back there, but I can't say for sure without seeing another '06's lights.
Could someone with an '06 please check out their light wires and see if they could possibly come from the factory this ****ty? I think I just figured out how they got my amber light strips to work. If they really did require 2 wire sets, they had to do some splicing. They told me that the connector was just loose, which didn't make any sense to me because the rest of the lights worked. If it was looses, NONE of them would work. This would also explain why it took them a total of 40 minutes, to "fix the loose connector"!
ANYONE VERIFY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will kill them!
Alright, after inspecting what I could of the back of the light fixture without actually removing the lights, here are pictures of what I saw. Looks like there was some wire splicing going on back there, but I can't say for sure without seeing another '06's lights.
Could someone with an '06 please check out their light wires and see if they could possibly come from the factory this ****ty? I think I just figured out how they got my amber light strips to work. If they really did require 2 wire sets, they had to do some splicing. They told me that the connector was just loose, which didn't make any sense to me because the rest of the lights worked. If it was looses, NONE of them would work. This would also explain why it took them a total of 40 minutes, to "fix the loose connector"!
ANYONE VERIFY!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will kill them!
It's too cold...and I'm lazy right now after all this running around with my head cut off....
They're the standard 03-05 taillights...they don't have those LED circles at all...just smoothness. Those actually don't look too bad either.
Also, even though these are the old style, they're brand new, or at least very well taken care of if they were taken off another car. They are completely smooth with no nicks or haze to them. Look out of the box...headlights and taillights that is.
EDIT: Already had a pic saved after all.
They're the standard 03-05 taillights...they don't have those LED circles at all...just smoothness. Those actually don't look too bad either.
Also, even though these are the old style, they're brand new, or at least very well taken care of if they were taken off another car. They are completely smooth with no nicks or haze to them. Look out of the box...headlights and taillights that is.
EDIT: Already had a pic saved after all.
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Originally Posted by Infern0
Alright....just ran over to the next nearest Nissan dealership and one of the sales persons opened the hood for me to poke around a little bit before he started to get nervous at what I was doing. I does look like there is some kind of electrical taping going on back there...but, can't be sure to what extent mine is doing without taking everything off.
The 03-05 Z's have two plugs for the taillights, the 06' only has one... When I upgraded my 04' Roadster to 06' taillights, the lights worked using only one plugged, i just tucked away the 2nd plug as it was not needed to make the lights work. I just wasn't sure if this would be the case with a 06' roadster which only has one plug working with a 03-05 taillights which require two plugs.
I would check to make sure brake lights work, rear turn signals, hazards and running lights all work properly...
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Just get an attorney! It's ludicrous to think that a dealer would even consider the idea of "haha we tricked you but it's used and we didn't make enough money off you so screw you" when the facts are this:
The car the dealer represented to you (regardless of it being Used or New) was a 2006 350Z Roadster - not a 2006 350Z Roadster with 2004-5 headlights and taillights.
Therefore, unless the dealer listed the car for sale as a "Modified" 2006 350Z Roadster - and you knowingly purchased a modified 2006 model, your purchase would be protected under the Virginia Consumer Protection Act which specifically states:
§ 59.1-200 Prohibited practices
A. The following fraudulent acts or practices committed by a supplier in connection with a consumer transaction are hereby declared unlawful:
1. Misrepresenting goods or services as those of another
--- Your car is NOT a complete 2006 350Z - it s a hybrid of a 2005-2006
6. Misrepresenting that goods or services are of a particular standard, quality, grade, style, or model;
--- Again - your car is NOT a complete 2006 350Z
10. Misrepresenting that repairs, alterations, modifications, or services have been performed or parts installed;
--- By not informing you that your Z's headlights and taillights had been exchanged they were misrepresenting the car to you as a true 2006 350Z.
So the bottom line is get an attorney! Have him write a letter to the dealership informing them of the illegal characteristics of the sale and allow them an opportunity to rectify the situation.
If they still refuse to help you then sue. It make take some time but eventually you will win. No judge in his right mind is going to rule for the dealership in this situation because the cars' exterior features look completely different when directly compared - in other words, even a layman could tell that there is a qualitative difference when comparing both designs.
If you really want to play nice you could contact the owner of the dealership (NOT the moron GM) and inform him of your situation - he may be wise enough to help you without you having to resort to legal action. You should also contact call Nissan USA and inform them of what is going on.
Finally be sure you document everything - you need a written record of each time you have taken/take you car to the dealer - write down all the comments they make to you including the "how much did we make off this guy line" and get the names of everyone you talk to (you may have to subpoena them later). Also get the times, dates, phone numbers etc. for everything that happens regarding repairs to your Z.
If you show yourself as a force to be reckoned with - they will make amends - one way or the other.
~KK
Here as some websites that may help you:
http://www.carlaws.com/vcpa.html
http://www.carlaws.com/
Just get an attorney! It's ludicrous to think that a dealer would even consider the idea of "haha we tricked you but it's used and we didn't make enough money off you so screw you" when the facts are this:
The car the dealer represented to you (regardless of it being Used or New) was a 2006 350Z Roadster - not a 2006 350Z Roadster with 2004-5 headlights and taillights.
Therefore, unless the dealer listed the car for sale as a "Modified" 2006 350Z Roadster - and you knowingly purchased a modified 2006 model, your purchase would be protected under the Virginia Consumer Protection Act which specifically states:
§ 59.1-200 Prohibited practices
A. The following fraudulent acts or practices committed by a supplier in connection with a consumer transaction are hereby declared unlawful:
1. Misrepresenting goods or services as those of another
--- Your car is NOT a complete 2006 350Z - it s a hybrid of a 2005-2006
6. Misrepresenting that goods or services are of a particular standard, quality, grade, style, or model;
--- Again - your car is NOT a complete 2006 350Z
10. Misrepresenting that repairs, alterations, modifications, or services have been performed or parts installed;
--- By not informing you that your Z's headlights and taillights had been exchanged they were misrepresenting the car to you as a true 2006 350Z.
So the bottom line is get an attorney! Have him write a letter to the dealership informing them of the illegal characteristics of the sale and allow them an opportunity to rectify the situation.
If they still refuse to help you then sue. It make take some time but eventually you will win. No judge in his right mind is going to rule for the dealership in this situation because the cars' exterior features look completely different when directly compared - in other words, even a layman could tell that there is a qualitative difference when comparing both designs.
If you really want to play nice you could contact the owner of the dealership (NOT the moron GM) and inform him of your situation - he may be wise enough to help you without you having to resort to legal action. You should also contact call Nissan USA and inform them of what is going on.
Finally be sure you document everything - you need a written record of each time you have taken/take you car to the dealer - write down all the comments they make to you including the "how much did we make off this guy line" and get the names of everyone you talk to (you may have to subpoena them later). Also get the times, dates, phone numbers etc. for everything that happens regarding repairs to your Z.
If you show yourself as a force to be reckoned with - they will make amends - one way or the other.
~KK
Here as some websites that may help you:
http://www.carlaws.com/vcpa.html
http://www.carlaws.com/
Last edited by KombatKing; Dec 3, 2006 at 09:11 PM.
Originally Posted by KombatKing
If you show yourself as a force to be reckoned with - they will make amends - one way or the other.
Originally Posted by www.carlaws.com/vcpa.html
B. Nothing in this section shall be construed to invalidate or make unenforceable any contract or lease solely by reason of the failure of such contract or lease to comply with any other law of this Commonwealth or any federal statute or regulation, to the extent such other law, statute or regulation provides that a violation of such law, statute or regulation shall not invalidate or make unenforceable such contract or lease.
I'm sure he'll end up telling me to live with it, or let them purchase the car back from me. That way I still don't get the lights...and I got a great deal on the roadster ($30K)...so I don't wanna just give it up. That seems like a legal option for them. They know I wont give the car back over this, and it seems like a whole lot of trouble to actually have a lawyer draw up papers for the chance I'll get some lights out of the deal.
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I guess my main concern with keeping the car as-is would mean you couldn't really sell it as a stock '06 Z if you ever decide to get rid of it in the future...
Some buyers may not know or care, but most Z buyers probably would.
Just keep us posted!
~KK
Some buyers may not know or care, but most Z buyers probably would.
Just keep us posted!
~KK
Last edited by KombatKing; Dec 8, 2006 at 10:01 PM.
Alright, made my arguments as high up the chain as I could go (GM). Started out very cordial about it giving them the chance to man up, but of course when you use that approach, you just seem like you can be walked all over. They started pitter patting around the subject like I was a moron, as expected. Then I started busting out quotes from every publication I could find regarding the situation and that's where it was left as of my last post....waiting for a call back once the GM could gather up some specific details.
I had heard any word since then so today I called back and asked him what was taking so long. He said he thought he had already called me back. He then said that they weren't going to do anything about it and if I wanted to do something about it, the ball's in my court, otherwise have a good day, and to let them know if they can be of assistance with any other matter.
Bastardos....well. Guess it's game over. Like I said, I do actually like the look of these lights better any way...was kinda fighting on principal...and there's no way that I'm actually going to hire a lawyer to pursue $1,200 worth of hardware. It was an...interesting ride I guess....still got my Roady!
I had heard any word since then so today I called back and asked him what was taking so long. He said he thought he had already called me back. He then said that they weren't going to do anything about it and if I wanted to do something about it, the ball's in my court, otherwise have a good day, and to let them know if they can be of assistance with any other matter.
Bastardos....well. Guess it's game over. Like I said, I do actually like the look of these lights better any way...was kinda fighting on principal...and there's no way that I'm actually going to hire a lawyer to pursue $1,200 worth of hardware. It was an...interesting ride I guess....still got my Roady!
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