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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 05:55 AM
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I think the push start thing is pretty cool. My friend's IS350 and my boss's GS300/LS460 has em. Just hold the brakes and push the button and bizzam! Lols. I believe to lock it all u do is like pull the doorhandle too with the key near your car. ***** pretty pimp IMO.
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by davidv

I put a fake button on my dash. No one can tell the difference. Sometimes I amaze myself.
I use that for my injector seat !!!! Works Great !!!
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 06:26 AM
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Wow, tough croud indeed. I seriously doubt anyone would yell RICE! if they were to get into their Ford GT, Enzo, Bugatti or Astom Martin and be faced with a start button (most of which you still have to insert a key for, just like the S2K; LOL.

Their probably waiting for the major redesign of the Z in '09 (?) to put in a start button. If they put one in the new Altima, you can bet the Z will have one, too (and the GTR, for that matter).

If you want one in your Z now, just follow my DIY posted above; many people have and love it. Sure, it's pretty much pointless, but it puts a smile on your face every time you hit it. And there isn't much to the thing to go wrong; you can still use the key to start it in the event of a failure, depending on how you wire it up.
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 07:25 AM
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Start buttons are cool . . . . it's the fact that the OP would consider waiting 1-2 years JUST for that feature alone is what makes this thread kinda pointless IMO
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 08:02 AM
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Having tested both the '07 G35 and Altima sedans with push button start, I can say I was skeptical about the benefits. But over time in both products, it became clear that the technology works well and will most likely be offered on many more Nissan/Infiniti models in the future. The days of the ignition key are most likely limited!

But if I had to guess why it's not being offered on the '07 Z, I'd point to the usual suspect: economics. Including it with the Z33 mid-model freshening would have been much more complex and expensive than it might appear at first glance. The push button start also features a multilayered security system that rotates the radio signal being sent from the key FOB each time the car is started and stopped. This system is integrated into the software for ECU and vehicle operations. It's plainly obvious that car thieves are going to be attempting to break this (or any) security package and it looks like Nissan has done their homework on this system!

To reengineer the Z's software and then integrate it into production is most likely the reason(s) it's not being offered on the '07 models. I agree with MustGoFasteR that a push button start will most likely be offered on the next gen Z. It'll make much better business sense at that point.

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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Devil Z
Start buttons are cool . . . . it's the fact that the OP would consider waiting 1-2 years JUST for that feature alone is what makes this thread kinda pointless IMO
You're right. I didn't mean to give the impression that I was waiting specifcally for this feature. I just meant that if I'm not going to purchase until summer I might as well wait and see if the MY08 will bring this. If not, I should get a much better deal on an 07.
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 09:36 AM
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I think it goes without saying that the next Z will certainly have it, since the new Altima does as well. David is exactly right about the monumental costs involved in introducing a major electrical change mid-cycle that requires an overall reengineering of the car itself (building an ECU from the ground up).

It all comes down to the famous economic concept called "Economies of Scale". In simpler terms, the more you make of something, the cheaper it gets.
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 09:42 AM
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Some more information about start buttons and keyless systems: Going Keyless. Notice the article was written 18 months ago. I'm sure we will see more cars supplied with this in the future.
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 09:54 AM
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I think it's pretty neat if you can unlock the door simply by carrying the key near the car door. It's also pretty cool that you can just sit in your car with the key in your pocket and just push a button to start the car. All these are obviously done by RFID (Radio Frequency Identification). I actually work with that technology at work. I'm a little concerned about security though. It's not that hard to create a chip and try to mimic the tag ID. Currently the class 1 generation 2 standard uses a 96 bits tag ID. 96 bits is not that easy to crack. But if you know the format of that 96 bits (the first couple bits being the company's ID, the next couple bits being the industry type, etc), you're really down to cracking down maybe 36 bits. So 2^36 possibilities. Then you do some simple thinking and know that companies always start that 36 bits by 1 and increment from there. Then lets say there are 1000 lambos in the US. So imagine a car theft carrying a bag of maybe a 1000 of active RFID chip(battery assisted chip). Each costs about $5. So that's really only $5000 of investment. Then he walks close to a lambo with that bag of chips and the door would most likely open for him and he can just press a button to turn the car on! How scary. I know I'm going so deep. But I'm in the industry and I see sooooo many flauds right now and it will need some serious security improvement.
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by MustGoFastR
Wow, tough croud indeed. I seriously doubt anyone would yell RICE! if they were to get into their Ford GT, Enzo, Bugatti or Astom Martin and be faced with a start button
Stop Yelling, my head hurts
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 12:18 PM
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the toyota prius...the electric car has it to where you get in and push the start button w/out turning a key.......and to put it in park you push a button too.....alot of cars will have them....its not really performance/racing or luxury thing anymore
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by wckdclw
the toyota prius...the electric car has it to where you get in and push the start button w/out turning a key.......and to put it in park you push a button too.....alot of cars will have them....its not really performance/racing or luxury thing anymore
Push button tranny. I had one of those from an old dodge I owned. Not really high tech.
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CAN0802
Push button tranny. I had one of those from an old dodge I owned. Not really high tech.
but it be so high tech and mad tyte yo
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Trav
Wow. Tough crowd. Who said anything about ignition button over performance? Are you trying to tell me that no serious performance car has an ignition button? It's called moving forward with improved technology. Like the DVD Nav in your Z. Is it really needed in a serious sport car?

I'm starting to feel like I'm being lectured by my great grandfather "What do you need power steering for? Back in my day..."

Seriously. Walk near the car and the doors unlock themselves. Sit in the car push a button and go. You guys see no benifit to this system?
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Old Feb 25, 2007 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by evolved326
Seriously. Walk near the car and the doors unlock themselves. Sit in the car push a button and go. You guys see no benifit to this system?
I find this to be an amazing idea, to be able to walk up to the car get in and drive off without having to pull keys out of the car. I hate having to pull my keys out of my pocket. I am doing some research on this to make it happen in my own car. I know they are using bluetooth to acomplish it. There is some talk about it in the mp3car.com forums.
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Trav
This is my first post... so please be gentle.

Why wouldn't Nissan add a push-button starter to the 07 350Z? BMW (335i) has it... Lexus (IS350) has it, Chevy (Corvette) has it... Infiniti (G35) has it...
What am I missing here? Is Nissan just holding back every year just to give the impression that the model is improving each year (first sat radio, then finally bluetooth)? I'm considering waiting until the summer just to see if the push-button starter "magically" appears for 08.

No disrespect intended. Remember...be gentle please.
Is there something wrong with just simply turning the key and starting the car?
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by evolved326
Seriously. Walk near the car and the doors unlock themselves. Sit in the car push a button and go. You guys see no benifit to this system?
Benefit is that the driver is lazy. Might as well have the car accelerate, brake, shift and steer for u as well.
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Nismo 350z
Benefit is that the driver is lazy. Might as well have the car accelerate, brake, shift and steer for u as well.
There would be much fewer accidents if the cars drove themselves. Think of all the idiots out there that shouldn't be driving.
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 01:18 PM
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Wow. People want everything so easy these days. What are they going come out with next? A transmission that shifts itself? Oh wait.....nevermind.
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Old Feb 26, 2007 | 01:25 PM
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When enough people see this as important, it will happen. On vehicles not designed for luxury that they are trying to keep the cost and weight down, it will come a lot slower. Since weight probably isn't a factor(like an antenae motor is) it becomes a cost issue. Real enthusiasts probably don't give a rip that you start it one way or another if security is the same.
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