Opinions on the Fosgate P3 series subwoofers
12-12-2007 | 07:32 PM
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if you're going for sound quality, I would not get P3's. They're loud, especially in a hatch, but that's about it. Last years P3 shared the same magnet as the T1, but this year might be different. It might be difficult to get "audiophile" quality out of a $200 sub. But your amp might make the difference.
I would lean more towards JL Audio 12w3's
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_s...p?series_id=25
or Diamond Audio's D3
http://www.diamondaudio.com/content/view/134/148/
I used to sell Diamond with RF. Very killer combo.
I would lean more towards JL Audio 12w3's
http://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_s...p?series_id=25
or Diamond Audio's D3
http://www.diamondaudio.com/content/view/134/148/
I used to sell Diamond with RF. Very killer combo.
12-12-2007 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
My old set up was a 1.25 cu ft. sealed enclosure with one Fosgate T1 12" sub, powered by an older model 2 channel Fosgate amp bridged (800 watts @ 4ohms X 1). The sound was deep and clear. Very much to my liking.
Recently I blew the sub. So what any audiophile would do, I decided to upgrade my low's.
Since I still have more power available to my disposal, I decided to upgrade the enclosure to one of Mike's Zenclosures.
This enlosure can house two twelves with 1.10 cu ft. per sub. The mounting dept sits just under 8 inches. I've been looking into different subs. This is when I came across the P3 model from Fosgate. Crutchfield carries them for $199.00 each. http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Produ...12&i=575P3D212
All the specs seem to go well with the enclosure demensions and I will have enough available power to efficiently drive these subs. Looks like a fairly good choice to me.
Does anyone have any experience with these subs. Any comments or suggestions are welcomed.
Recently I blew the sub. So what any audiophile would do, I decided to upgrade my low's.
Since I still have more power available to my disposal, I decided to upgrade the enclosure to one of Mike's Zenclosures. This enlosure can house two twelves with 1.10 cu ft. per sub. The mounting dept sits just under 8 inches. I've been looking into different subs. This is when I came across the P3 model from Fosgate. Crutchfield carries them for $199.00 each. http://www.crutchfield.com/App/Produ...12&i=575P3D212
All the specs seem to go well with the enclosure demensions and I will have enough available power to efficiently drive these subs. Looks like a fairly good choice to me.
Does anyone have any experience with these subs. Any comments or suggestions are welcomed.
12-13-2007 | 05:31 AM
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Hmmmmm, i would disagree -
Incorrect, one of the better SQ drivers: http://www.madisound.com/catalog/pro...oducts_id=1735
Even the D612's from Diamond can be found for around $200. As for other 12's - Focal subs are just over $200, and Zapco subs are under $200.........I could go on and on.
w3? for SQ? if you said w6, then I would agree.
d3? for SQ? if you said d6, then I would agree.
Originally Posted by getsomez's
It might be difficult to get "audiophile" quality out of a $200 sub.
Even the D612's from Diamond can be found for around $200. As for other 12's - Focal subs are just over $200, and Zapco subs are under $200.........I could go on and on.
Originally Posted by getsomez's
I would lean more towards JL Audio 12w3's
Originally Posted by getsomez's
or Diamond Audio's D3
Last edited by StreetOC192; 12-13-2007 at 05:45 AM.
12-13-2007 | 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by StreetOC192
Hmmmmm, i would disagree -
Incorrect, one of the better SQ drivers: http://www.madisound.com/catalog/pro...oducts_id=1735
Even the D612's from Diamond can be found for around $200. As for other 12's - Focal subs are just over $200, and Zapco subs are under $200.........I could go on and on.
w3? for SQ? if you said w6, then I would agree.
d3? for SQ? if you said d6, then I would agree.
Incorrect, one of the better SQ drivers: http://www.madisound.com/catalog/pro...oducts_id=1735
Even the D612's from Diamond can be found for around $200. As for other 12's - Focal subs are just over $200, and Zapco subs are under $200.........I could go on and on.
w3? for SQ? if you said w6, then I would agree.
d3? for SQ? if you said d6, then I would agree.
12-13-2007 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by StreetOC192
if you said w6, then I would agree.
Can someone please educate me on the 1st 4 specs, "free air ressonance & the 3 Q's"?
12-13-2007 | 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by blasian
The sub I'd recommend requires a smaller box than that.
12-13-2007 | 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
You know, I was really impressed with some of the drivers 350zspl recommended, but they were out of my league. In order to accomodate some of those subs, I'd have to invest a nice chunk of change, have another custom enclosure made, plus a new amp. I'm not willing to spend that much.
you may want to check the dimensions on that enclosure. The P3 has some decent excursion not to mention mounting depth. You don't want that thin fiber dust cover slamming into your wiper motor area or God forbid, not even be able to fit the wocfer in the box.
12-13-2007 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by phreaktor
you may want to check the dimensions on that enclosure. The P3 has some decent excursion not to mention mounting depth. You don't want that thin fiber dust cover slamming into your wiper motor area or God forbid, not even be able to fit the wocfer in the box.
12-13-2007 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
You know, I was really impressed with some of the drivers 350zspl recommended, but they were out of my league. In order to accomodate some of those subs, I'd have to invest a nice chunk of change, have another custom enclosure made, plus a new amp. I'm not willing to spend that much.
edit-I looked at the specs and noticed 1.25 would be fine.
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12-13-2007 | 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
The enclosure depth is approx 7 3/4, so I figure anything 7 1/2ish should be ok. I could always add a sub ring spacer if need be. I believe Mike sells 1/2 spacers....
12-13-2007 | 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by phreaktor
I think that is the exact depth of the P3. You are going to have a problem. The magnet shouldn't be touching the wall and if you add a spacer, you may hit the deck lid. That's why I had to custom build mine after I talked to the guy that makes those. It was only about 80 bucks for ther 3/4 MDF, Jigsaw, glue, silicon, screws, spray adhesive, and black vinyl. It fits perfect and the airspace is almost dead on for teh P3s.
You're right about how close the hatch is to the top of the enclosure. I haven't test fitted the enclosure yet, but I can see there's going to be limited space for sub excursion. I don't forsee any problems though, because I don't have a factory floor board to begin with. I can lower the factory floor between 1/4 to 1/2 inch if need be...
12-15-2007 | 05:15 AM
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Originally Posted by vo7848
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvizD...eature=related
Holy Christ! I looked these subs up and happen to come across a youtube video of four 18's powered by 17k watts. Crazy!
I'm still researching the other subs you listed under the "happy medium" catagory.
So far I've looked at the Digital designs 9500g series:
http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/caraudio/w...p?series=9500g
RD alphas:
http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~aco...vers/RD_Alpha/
They are impressive subs, but I don't believe I have the kind of power necessary to drive them. I checked out the owners manual for my sub amp this weekend. It's been awhile since I looked at it. I have a RF P8002. 400 watts x 2 @ 2ohm. I know it wasn't the best amp for sub applications when I purchased it, but my knowledge of different amp classes was limited at the time.
Holy Christ! I looked these subs up and happen to come across a youtube video of four 18's powered by 17k watts. Crazy!
I'm still researching the other subs you listed under the "happy medium" catagory.
So far I've looked at the Digital designs 9500g series:
http://www.ddaudio.com/dd/caraudio/w...p?series=9500g
RD alphas:
http://www.acoustic-visions.com/~aco...vers/RD_Alpha/
They are impressive subs, but I don't believe I have the kind of power necessary to drive them. I checked out the owners manual for my sub amp this weekend. It's been awhile since I looked at it. I have a RF P8002. 400 watts x 2 @ 2ohm. I know it wasn't the best amp for sub applications when I purchased it, but my knowledge of different amp classes was limited at the time.
the power off that Rf amp
is not enough for a DD 9500, or RD Alpha
less power can damage a sub faster than more power
an RD sonance would actually work well with your power
12-17-2007 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zspl
the power off that Rf amp
is not enough for a DD 9500, or RD Alpha
less power can damage a sub faster than more power
an RD sonance would actually work well with your power
is not enough for a DD 9500, or RD Alpha
less power can damage a sub faster than more power
an RD sonance would actually work well with your power
Looks like I'm keeping the original enclosure I have. It's 1.25 cu ft. I'll utilize 800 x 1 @ 4ohms on my amp and will just look into a more powerful sub than the RF T1 I previously used. The mounting depth in the original enclosure is 6 1/2 inches, so I'll have to purchase a spacer to add at least another inch hopefully.
12-18-2007 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 350zspl
if you want a happy medium buy a
FI BTL sub
FI BTL sub
https://ssl.perfora.net/www.ficaraud...iew.shopscript
Any opinions?
Since they come in D2 coils, I could crank the RF amp I have up to it's max setting. Supposidley the RF amp box stated the amp was bench tested at a 951watts output level. I'm not really too sure how accurate that is though.