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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 10:54 AM
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Ok I'm changing my sound system around, and I've decided to go active. I plan on keeping my mids from my Focal 165KPS(UV), but I cannot find the power specs on them. Would I be safe just running the current amp power (85x2)?

Second I plan on changing out the tweets for silk dome. First I want to try moving them from the sail panels to the pillars, to see if that kills the harshness, but I can't find the specs on the tweets either.

Does anyone by chance know what kind of power I can run to these for an active setup? The system can do 80 rms/160 peak. I have searched everywhere and can't find a thing.

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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 11:13 AM
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i was running a set of focal 165k active on a 100wx4 rms phoenix gold xenon amp. just watching your gains and you'll be fine. not enough power is more likely to damage your speakers than too much power. what type of crossover are you going to use? if possible, run a bandpass signal to your mids instead of a low pass signal
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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 11:17 AM
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I think it will be fine. Many audio problems result from trying to get too much volume from speakers with a underpowered amplifier. The result is often clipping and distortion.

Too much power? No such thing. Just be reasonable with volume level.
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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 11:19 AM
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not enough power is more likely to damage your speakers than too much power.
You read my mind while I was typing.
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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 11:24 AM
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Are you going to be running 85 watts to the tweeter or to the mid?
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You read my mind while I was typing.
great audio minds think alike
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Originally Posted by davidc81
what type of crossover are you going to use? if possible, run a bandpass signal to your mids instead of a low pass signal
Well I'm up in the air about going with the Audison Bit One, or the Zapco DSP6. I'm trying to keep the cost down, but both run around the same.

Originally Posted by davidv
I think it will be fine. Many audio problems result from trying to get too much volume from speakers with a underpowered amplifier. The result is often clipping and distortion.

Too much power? No such thing. Just be reasonable with volume level.
Well if the current tweeter goes, then oh well. I was planing on replacing it anyways. If I can avoid spending the money to replace it then good. I'm hoping moving it to the A-pillar will solve the harshness.

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Are you going to be running 85 watts to the tweeter or to the mid?
Well I plan on getting a 4 channel amp, so based off of the power these can handle. I want to ditch the amp I got now that does 85x2.

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Originally Posted by davidc81
if possible, run a bandpass signal to your mids instead of a low pass signal
Ok I wanted to touch up on this just bit.

I understand the different types of filters. Would I be wise to use a bandpass for all of the speakers?

Should I blend the frequency cutoffs or should I just set them to exactly to each speakers freq response?. I've alway questioned this one, but never asked and never found any info on this.
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Originally Posted by Chi-TownWarrior
Well I'm up in the air about going with the Audison Bit One, or the Zapco DSP6. I'm trying to keep the cost down, but both run around the same.

Well I plan on getting a 4 channel amp, so based off of the power these can handle. I want to ditch the amp I got now that does 85x2.

Thanks again everyone
http://www.focal-america.com/extras/...wer/165KFx.pdf

Is that your mid?

I know the RMS on my components is the same power rating of my mids alone not including the tweeter. The RMS on my tweeters 50w RMS. Seems to be similar for most.

Is this your tweeter?

http://www.focal-america.com/extras/...wer/tn_52x.pdf

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...l+165+KPS.html

I just found the tweeter model here but I wasn't really successful finding the mid.

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Old Mar 8, 2010 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blasian
http://www.focal-america.com/extras/...wer/165KFx.pdf

Is that your mid?

I know the RMS on my components is the same power rating of my mids alone not including the tweeter. The RMS on my tweeters 50w RMS. Seems to be similar for most.

Is this your tweeter?

http://www.focal-america.com/extras/...wer/tn_52x.pdf

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...l+165+KPS.html

I just found the tweeter model here but I wasn't really successful finding the mid.
Ok how the hell did you find this? That's everything. I suck at life . Thank you very much.

2 very stupid questions. Will running the tweets at 4ohm and the gains set properly hurt them or the amp, and when it say unfilterd, that just means that the RMS is higher if I run a filter for the tweets correct. I just want to check my info before I start.

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Originally Posted by Chi-TownWarrior
Ok how the hell did you find this? That's everything. I suck at life .
lol on DLS's website it has the individual parts for the tweeter and woofer so I figured it was worth a shot to look to see if Focal did the same. Didn't find it there so I just looked at a place that sold them and then used those parts
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you would run a bandpass signal to the mids and high pass on the tweeter. for my old active setup i ran my tweeters at 2khz and up and my mids bandpass from 60hz-2khz. i think i used a 24db or 18db slope.

how many amps are you running? if you have a separate sub and 4 channel amp, i could show you a way to get a bandpass signal just from the xovers in the amps so you wont have to spend anymore money. when i was active, i was using a phoenix gold ax-406a xover for a while and i've also run an active setup with an alpine cda-9833 headunit.
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Wait for the JBL MS-8, I know I am.
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Originally Posted by davidc81
you would run a bandpass signal to the mids and high pass on the tweeter. for my old active setup i ran my tweeters at 2khz and up and my mids bandpass from 60hz-2khz. i think i used a 24db or 18db slope.

how many amps are you running? if you have a separate sub and 4 channel amp, i could show you a way to get a bandpass signal just from the xovers in the amps so you wont have to spend anymore money. when i was active, i was using a phoenix gold ax-406a xover for a while and i've also run an active setup with an alpine cda-9833 headunit.
I plan on running 2 amps 100x4 front 1200x1 sub. I think I know of what your talking about, but if you have a link or any info post please.

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Wait for the JBL MS-8, I know I am.
I've heard of it. Any idea of when it will come out?
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Originally Posted by Chi-TownWarrior
...I've heard of it. Any idea of when it will come out?
There is an announcement expected real soon. My second choice would be the bitone.1 but I just would hate to buy the Audison piece now and the MS-8 end up coming to market right after.
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