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Old May 9, 2010 | 09:56 PM
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I will start off by saying that ther are some newb questions in here that I haven't researched a whole lot so my flame suit is on

I currently have an Eclipse AVX-2404 Head unit

4 Alpine door speakers. Non components

Alpine MRP M-500 Amp pushing 2 Alpine Type E Subs

This was all in when I purchased my Z.

Ok, here we go. I hate the volume control on the Eclipse and dont use the DVD player ever. I have an old Alpine CDA-9835, which was my favorite HU I ever owned. I know it is older but does anyone see any disadvantages to switching them besides the fact that it wouldn't look as cool

I have a set of Focal K2 165KF also that I intend to put in the front. I ran them in my S2000 without an amp and realize that I wasn't getting nowhere near their peak performance. Heres a newb question. What would be a 4 channel amp that you guys would recommend to push them? I see so much bashing of rear speakers on here. Would it even be worthwhile to go Focals with the rears also?

On to the Subs. I mostly listen to metal and sometimes the bass drowns out my highs. I have considered dropping down to one Jl Audio W710 or something high end. Clarity means much more to me than rattle. A JL 500/1 should handle that, right.

Any advice or suggestion will be much appreciated. Thanks Guys
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Old May 9, 2010 | 10:44 PM
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Do you have a budget?

You don't want a double-din nav/dvd/ipod/mp3/etc.?
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Do you have a budget?

You don't want a double-din nav/dvd/ipod/mp3/etc.?
Not really to worried about budget. i know you have to pay to play. I spent over 600 on the speaker so I might as well get a equal quality amp to push them. Thats first priority and I have enough to cover any amp out there except top of the line Audisons or something like that

My Alpine does all of that except DVD and I have factory navigation. I like the controls on it so much better. In its day the 9835 was top of the line.
If I choose to go that route I will sell the Eclipse on here to help fund the Sub.

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Hmm, so what suggestions do you need?

For the subwoofer, you're right for sticking with a single 10. I had an MB Quart 10" sub and the clarity and response were awesome. Also, I had MB Quart components up front with the midbass in the rear holes after sealing/matting the little spaces. Kept full range going to the front to let the crossover deal with, and switched my amp to low-pass for the rear midbass.

For the record, I had a Kenwood 4-channel and Alpine mono with a Kenwood DNX7120 headunit. Sounded great.

https://my350z.com/forum/audio-build...-sq-build.html

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Hmm, so what suggestions do you need?

For the subwoofer, you're right for sticking with a single 10. I had an MB Quart 10" sub and the clarity and response were awesome. Also, I had MB Quart components up front with the midbass in the rear holes after sealing/matting the little spaces. Kept full range going to the front to let the crossover deal with, and switched my amp to low-pass for the rear midbass.

For the record, I had a Kenwood 4-channel and Alpine mono with a Kenwood DNX7120 headunit.
Mostly on an amp to push my components. I had some MB Quart components also, but I like my Focals better.
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I'd take Focals anyday over MB Quart.

A JL Audio 300/4 should drive those components well.
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I'd take Focals anyday over MB Quart.

A JL Audio 300/4 should drive those components well.
Thanks for the help, Spork. I see in your thread that tweeter placement was discussed. How much difference is there between sail panel and A-Pillar installations?
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Try this amp very popular and its under rated. Will last you a longtime

http://http://www.woofersetc.com/p6837/DSC4125--MB-Quart-4-Ch-1000-Watt-Amplifier.htm
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Try this amp very popular and its under rated. Will last you a longtime

http://http://www.woofersetc.com/p6837/DSC4125--MB-Quart-4-Ch-1000-Watt-Amplifier.htm
Thanks for the link. Nothing but excellent reviews on that amp and it won't break the bank. Newb question. What is time allignment to the fronts?
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I'd definitely utilize that 9835. I had one when I did the first system in my Z and I loved it; great headunit!

If you "had" (I personally wouldn't pick a JL sub, but that is me) to pick a JL sub and your were looking for clarity I'd tell you to pick up a W6 over a W7.
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I'd definitely utilize that 9835. I had one when I did the first system in my Z and I loved it; great headunit!

If you "had" (I personally wouldn't pick a JL sub, but that is me) to pick a JL sub and your were looking for clarity I'd tell you to pick up a W6 over a W7.
Its way too nice of a HU to just be collecting dust. I've had many offer for it, but never could part with it. The Eclipse isn't bad, but I don't see any advantages to it over the 9835 except DVD and I dont even use that.

What sub would would you recommend for clarity if not a JL?
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I'm running focals all around with a JL audio 10w6. Have two JL audio amps to run them. a 500/4 and a 750/1. I used the JL HD amps to try and avoid having to run a capacitor, and it worked out for about 95% of the time. The other 5% there is just minor flicker of the dash lights. Also the HD amps are smaller and can be put in numerous places. Both of mine are in the little map cubby things behind the seats.
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Originally Posted by 1GR8350Z
Its way too nice of a HU to just be collecting dust. I've had many offer for it, but never could part with it. The Eclipse isn't bad, but I don't see any advantages to it over the 9835 except DVD and I dont even use that.

What sub would would you recommend for clarity if not a JL?
I'd go with Image Dynamic for a sub, ID or IDQ depending on the budget. If you want a good SPL/SQ sub, the IDMAX is an option as well.

If you're ballin' like Kwame, you can go for a SEAS sub
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I'd go with Image Dynamic for a sub, ID or IDQ depending on the budget. If you want a good SPL/SQ sub, the IDMAX is an option as well.
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I'd go with Image Dynamic for a sub, ID or IDQ depending on the budget. If you want a good SPL/SQ sub, the IDMAX is an option as well.

If you're ballin' like Kwame, you can go for a SEAS sub
These aren't nearly as expensive as I expected to see. I was looking at Focal subs and I'm not baller enough. What is different about SPL/SQ subs?
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Originally Posted by 350junkie
I'm running focals all around with a JL audio 10w6. Have two JL audio amps to run them. a 500/4 and a 750/1. I used the JL HD amps to try and avoid having to run a capacitor, and it worked out for about 95% of the time. The other 5% there is just minor flicker of the dash lights. Also the HD amps are smaller and can be put in numerous places. Both of mine are in the little map cubby things behind the seats.
Just curious but is the 500/4 overkill for the Focals?
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close, but not quite. I had to turn the amp down some, but that was mainly because the speakers don't have very much clearance from the protective grating stuff.
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Originally Posted by Kwame@z1Auto
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yeah their old stuff the new chinese made crap cant hold a candle to 05 made stuff
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Originally Posted by 1GR8350Z
These aren't nearly as expensive as I expected to see. I was looking at Focal subs and I'm not baller enough. What is different about SPL/SQ subs?
SPL = loudness

SQ = sound quality

SPL/SQ or "SQL" = both

Honestly, I intended on getting an IDMAX but decided that I didn't want to get a big power sub again since I had a W7 in it before. The IDMAX is a cheaper and better sub than the W7 from what I've heard.
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Originally Posted by duro78
yeah their old stuff the new chinese made crap cant hold a candle to 05 made stuff
This is like MB Quart. Their old stuff is loads better than the newer RF-made stuff.


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