Looking to get a seat belt harness for the stock seats in my G coupe. Will mainly be used for AutoX and maybe a couple trackdays, but not on the street. I don't want to run a harness bar, since I need to retain easy access to the rearseat. I'm looking for one that works with the stock front/rear seat belt mounting points. Haven't decided if I want to go with the snap-in or double-release mounts yet.

Just wanted to get some more suggestions based on this criteria:
3pt or 4pt? Or if you have a 5pt, can you safely use it without the crotch belt (making it a 4pt).
2" or 3"?
Competition/Pro style Cam-lock or Tuner/Clubman style buckle?
Any specific brands to recommend or steer clear of? The Takata, Sabelt, and Schroth ones are a bit spendy, so I'm probably looking more into Sparco, Corbeau, G-Force, and Pyrotect. Open to other suggestions I'm not yet aware of, too.


Thanks for any info. you guys can share. Thanks!

 

Consider that using a race harness can be DANGEROUS if you don't have at least a roll bar installed. Your upper torso is restrained and if the roof comes down, it'll hold your delicate head in perfect position to damage your spine.

 

I do appreciate the concern, but I'm aware of that as are all the Z guys running just a harness bar. Does anyone have anything useful to share in regards to my specific questions?

 

You need to do 5pt, no less. Listen to dkmura and you should only run harnesses with a roll bar.

As far as brands, I like the Crows.

 

If you want something just for autox and light track duty, you can try a CG-Lock.

http://www.cg-lock.com/

I have not tried on the Z yet, but I had one on my EVO for autox and it works GREAT!

 

Yeah, I've seen the CG-lock, and although it works for the lap belt, it doesn't hold your torso in place. That's why I'm looking into a 3 or 4pt harness, since either of those options have 2 straps for each shoulder.

Let's steer away from the roll bar discussion. I'm really looking for some input from Z/G owners regarding what I'm interested in. Thanks!

 

YOu need a harness bar at least , you shoulder harness needs to be mounted at or above shoulder level. No trackday org will let you on the track with improperly mounted safety belts.

 

Harness bar is out, b/c I need easy access to the back seat for wheels/tires and passengers. I wouldn't want to be constantly installing/removing it.

There are some very viable options from all the major seat belt harness companies, that are made for 4 seater cars. You just mount the shoulder straps to the seat belt buckle mounts on the rear seats. Then you mount the lap belts to mounts under the sides of the driver's seat. I know this will be just fine for my AutoX purposes. Not totally sure on track, but if it's FIA and/or DOT approved, then that would be fine. Worst case scenario I can just use stock belt on the track.

 

I've seen other Zs on track with harness bars bolted to the rear strut bar.

 

Guys he has a G not a Z, I have seen plenty of harness that buckel to the rear seat buckels, but I have never purchased one. You will be able to use it AutoX, but probably not for track days (check with specific organization that you track with). I know that in the Southeast, NASA - Chin - PBOC - PCA - nor Triangle Z club would allow this type of harness. And Tri-Z doen't allow the use of a harness bar - you must have a roll bar to use a harness.

 

Have you seen Bill Huang's harness in his STi?

http://www.schrothracing.com/products/streetlegal/1573

Next time your out at a BEAC event, check it out. It's the type that uses the rear seat belt restraints that are right behind the driver. while you're using the harness the rear seat behind you is unusable, but it disconnects quickly to allow the seats to be usable. It's essentially a tuner style buckle harness, but good quality. I would be a little concerned about spinal compression w/ a setup like his, but it's worth a look and, for what it's worth, it's supposedly street legal.

 

Be safe. Do not use harnesses without a harness bar minimum. 3pt or 4pt are not better than stock.

 

+1

 

Schroth makes a whole series of street legal competion type harnesses that are safe and effective for what you're planning on doing.

http://www.schrothracing.com/products/streetlegal

 

Schroth does make those ones that clip right into the rear belt buckles, but only for cars like the STI and BMW. Nothing for us. They also make the ones that bolt to the seat belt mounts, but their stuff costs quite a bit more than other brands like Corbeau, G-Force, and even Sparco.

 

I appreciate those of you that have tried to help me out. Then there are those of you that insist on sounds like a broken record. You've made your point already, so if you don't have any input to help me answer specific questions, move along.

Still hoping there are those that have experience with one of the types of harnesses I listed in my original post, and can answer some of my direct questions. Thanks.

 

To sum up what most of us have said, if you plan to half *** it, then there's no reason to use harnesses, just use the stock belts. The safest and correct way is 5pt with a harness bar or roll bar/cage. 3 and 4 pts are less safe than the stock belts.

 

takata ****

 

All these reputable companies make a few different styles, which are widely used in AutoX. They keep you from sliding around in the seat, which stock belts fail miserably at. Schroth 4pt harnesses even have anti-submarining tech built-in. There are alternatives, for which I'm looking for actual experiences, not just theory.

I hope all 7,557 of your previous posts weren't as pointless. Why would you need to make your point 3x over, when it's already CLEARLY been recognized. Some people say things because they actually care about another's safety. You're not fooling me. Don't lie to yourself and act like you're gracing us with your "knowledge" for anybody else's good...you just enjoy hearing yourself talk, and are used to talking down to others in atypical elitist fashion. I've seen you make a couple funny asshole comments in other threads, but most of them were just retarded.

Since you obviously have nothing useful to contribute to this particular discussion either, this is your cue to scurry along. Unless you've decided to actually answer my specific questions, try and resist the urge to hit "reply." Unfortunately, judging by your post count and countless other worthless posts I've seen from you before, Vegas odds say you....can't.....resist...

 

Pointless? Trying to help you from being an idiot must be pointless then. I state the same thing over cause I'd rather see a fellow member live in a crash than die in one.