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Old 12-21-2011, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by betamotorsports
The SCCA Techs I e-mailed the picture to all went "Hmmmm" but none saw an issue with the top joint on the main hoop diagonal. Its a drag race type of joint.
If it was sleaved with an inner pipe it will actually be stronger than a straight bar, we still always ask how the join was made.
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Originally Posted by dkmura
Nice MIG welds and clean construction. A large step-up from the harness bar you had before. Be sure to look for offset high-density rollbar padding when you buy and install padding.
Thanks, just ordered a couple pieces from Summit Racing!

Originally Posted by betamotorsports
The SCCA Techs I e-mailed the picture to all went "Hmmmm" but none saw an issue with the top joint on the main hoop diagonal. Its a drag race type of joint.
That's awesome, thanks! That confirms what obzezzed350 said when he saw it at the track last weekend.

Thanks to everyone for all the positive comments and help =)
It seems that the fabricator did a great job and at a heck of a good price.....I got the feeling he really takes pride in his work.

Next up is to see how much it weighs w/ the bar, need to have it at 3195lbs for TT @ Homestead in Jan.

It weighed 3380lbs including 135lbs of ballast, passenger seat, and 3/4 tank of gas the last time I ran it. So I figure:

3380
- 135 (ballast)
- 35 (passenger seat)
- 50 (gas)
- 20 (lightweight battery)
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3140
+100 (I'm guestimating here, should be 80 to 100lbs)
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3240

That would mean I need take 40lbs or so off the car. So, either gut the driver's side door panel (including window) or remove the muffler...the door panel is further up front and higher up so that is probably the better vs the muffler.

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Old 12-22-2011, 04:29 AM
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Where did you locate the 135 lbs of ballast? What did you use and how did you secure it?
Old 12-23-2011, 06:40 AM
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Where did you locate the 135 lbs of ballast? What did you use and how did you secure it?
Hmm, well I'll just say it was not the right way to do it.
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Originally Posted by l30thelion
Hmm, well I'll just say it was not the right way to do it.

Well, I guess you could show me how NOT to do it, lol!!!!!!!!!
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Well, I guess you could show me how NOT to do it, lol!!!!!!!!!
Well, let's assume you had to add ballast to your car in a hurry....you probably would NOT go to Sports Authority and buy three 45lbs free weights because they were on sale, wrap them in thick cloth blankets, and stick em in the compartment right behind the passenger seat. You then would certainly NOT go to Home Depot and buy a piece of plywood, cut it to size, drill holes to screw said plywood to car and secure the weights in that compartment. Finally you would NEVER slide the passenger seat all the way back and recline it to add another layer of "safety" in case of an issue. I mean these are things you just wouldn't do because they are just plain stupid.

It's a good thing you wouldn't do any of that because you may later find out that the TT rules are very clear on exactly how ballast is to be secured, and that is NOT how you do it.

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Old 12-23-2011, 04:01 PM
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Looks nice mate! Good tight fit around the roof line! You gonna gutted the excess metal; from the back end now? I ripped mine out on it looks a lot neater and takes a good bit of dead weight out too?
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Based on the info at http://www.ioportracing.com/faq/rollbar.htm I should be able to determine the weight of the rollbar....2lbs per foot for steel of these dimensions: 1.75 x .120.

Measured the bar today at 337in/12 is ~29ft * 2 = ~59lbs.

Also removed the stock seat belts, they weighed in at 9lbs. I may be able to get close to the target weight w/o gutting door.
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Originally Posted by l30thelion
Well, let's assume you had to add ballast to your car in a hurry....you probably would NOT go to Sports Authority and buy three 45lbs free weights because they were on sale, wrap them in thick cloth blankets, and stick em in the compartment right behind the passenger seat. You then would certainly NOT go to Home Depot and buy a piece of plywood, cut it to size, drill holes to screw said plywood to car and secure the weights in that compartment. Finally you would NEVER slide the passenger seat all the way back and recline it to add another layer of "safety" in case of an issue. I mean these are things you just wouldn't do because they are just plain stupid.

It's a good thing you wouldn't do any of that because you may later find out that the TT rules are very clear on exactly how ballast is to be secured, and that is NOT how you do it.
Awesome!!!! I think this should be a "sticky"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by djtimodj
Looks nice mate! Good tight fit around the roof line! You gonna gutted the excess metal; from the back end now? I ripped mine out on it looks a lot neater and takes a good bit of dead weight out too?
Thanks!

Not sure exactly which excess metal you are referring to, but I use the car specifically for NASA TT competition.....the car is classed based on weight/hp. The target weight for the car is 3195lbs (at my current hp) so removing too much weight would take me out of the class. If I decide to move up to another class I may have to figure out how to remove weight (or add hp) but its gonna be really difficult to remove excess metal constrained by the bar now that it is in (at least that is what I think).

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Originally Posted by l30thelion
Well, let's assume you had to add ballast to your car in a hurry....you probably would NOT go to Sports Authority and buy three 45lbs free weights because they were on sale, wrap them in thick cloth blankets, and stick em in the compartment right behind the passenger seat. You then would certainly NOT go to Home Depot and buy a piece of plywood, cut it to size, drill holes to screw said plywood to car and secure the weights in that compartment. Finally you would NEVER slide the passenger seat all the way back and recline it to add another layer of "safety" in case of an issue. I mean these are things you just wouldn't do because they are just plain stupid.

It's a good thing you wouldn't do any of that because you may later find out that the TT rules are very clear on exactly how ballast is to be secured, and that is NOT how you do it.
Lol I bet you provided the techs with a good laugh though haha
Old 12-24-2011, 07:45 AM
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Just be wary of cutting the weight too close. Not only do you need to look at fuel levels but you can loose over 5-10 lbs of tire mass over a long race.
Old 12-24-2011, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by l30thelion
Thanks!

I'm 5'5", so don't really need much room

Will probably be getting a removable steering wheel in the future cause getting in/out is a pain in the ***.

I had to laugh when I read this because my son is 6-5 and his racing seat is one of those expensive wrap around kind and we also have two door bars with the upper one kind of high. I have trouble getting out of his race seat because my *** is wider than his and I get kind of wedged in the seat.
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