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Old Sep 25, 2005 | 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by chuquison
I have stock brakes non brembos on my 03 touring z
I wanted to upgraded cause people make fun of me for not having brembos!
are the non brembos good? should i just change pads and rotors to make them look better? how much are the factory brembo calipers? im confused what should I do?
keep the stock ones or up grade to brembo stocks on rear in upgraded fronts!! im lost I just dont want to be made fun of by the way I dont want to spend more than 3k som eim just screwed!!!!!!!! help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You definitely want to contact www.optionimports.com for brembo brake kit. I got mine from this company for $2800.And it's worth every penny. This is 355mm for the front. This kit comes with all the hardware you need. Brembo even puts in Goodridge Brake lines which is the best brake line in the world.

My boss had a Porche 911 with Brembo brake (stock). I drove his car once, I love the braking. After I installed this brembo brake kit, my boss test drove it.....he told me my car now stops as hard as his.

I tried to do all brake mods with 350z enthusiast stock brakes. I installed Project M brake pads, change rotors to Stoptech slotted rotors. These mods did not improve anything.You want a real deal, you gotta go for Brembo

My car's current brake setup: 355 mm Cross drilled grand turismo front brake kit. Stock rear brake.

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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by love_350z
If Stoptech is so good....why dont racers use it.....why almost 90% of racers out there use brembo and I dont even hear a professional racer uses Stoptech?
What world do you live on? A lot of professional series racers use Stoptechs in the U.S.

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You talk to an average car guy, he would know what brembo is but not Stoptech. I wonder why?
The "average car guy" mostly only cars for "looks".

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You definitely want to contact www.optionimports.com for brembo brake kit. I got mine from this company for $2800.And it's worth every penny. This is 355mm for the front. This kit comes with all the hardware you need. Brembo even puts in Goodridge Brake lines which is the best brake line in the world.
Goodridge isn't any better than other lines on the market... I've seen them fail just as often on cars as other brands.

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My boss had a Porche 911 with Brembo brake (stock). I drove his car once, I love the braking. After I installed this brembo brake kit, my boss test drove it.....he told me my car now stops as hard as his.

I tried to do all brake mods with 350z enthusiast stock brakes. I installed Project M brake pads, change rotors to Stoptech slotted rotors. These mods did not improve anything.You want a real deal, you gotta go for Brembo

My car's current brake setup: 355 mm Cross drilled grand turismo front brake kit. Stock rear brake.
What's your point here? I have the OEM Brembo setup, and at the racetrack I'm always going head to head with advanced 996 and 997 drivers in the braking zone. I could do the same thing with Stoptech, AP, or a larger Brembo kit, but it simply isn't necessary. Now if I was running a lot more power (like F/I), then I'd be more inclined to have larger brakes since I'd be carrying so much more speed on the straight.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 09:14 AM
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Wow...awesome post.

Not even sure where to begin...
1. Pro Racers win races with our BBK's...including nearly half of the field in World Challenge Touring, including the Championship winning car last year. The components on these cars are exactly the same components that we sell to our customers (a point made by multiple people on this post, thanks gents ).
Take a look at our press releases over the last 2 years, and then get yourself down to your local racetrack when World Challenge or Grand Am Cup comes to town. http://www.stoptech.com/company_info/news.shtml

2. What Brembo/AP does in NASCAR and F1 is almost completely irrelevant to what they make for street cars. Sure there is some learning involved through that experience, but I don't see anybody running carbon/carbon F1 brakes on their 350Z. We have had many requests for product at the top levels of racing, but we haven't gone in that direction for strategic reasons. It costs an obscene amount of money, uses up resources, and it doesn't necessarily ensure that you'll sell any brakes to street car / track day customers. We'd rather prove ourselves in an arena where our customers can draw a parallel to their own car...like World Challenge or Grand Am Cup.

3. Sponsorship...I have no idea how the logic of that whole argement works. We do sponsor some cars that meet our qualifications, in the form of a very small discount. It's next to impossible to get free product from us however (ask someone who's tried). As others have said, just because 10 guys at a show have our brakes and logo on the car doesn't mean we're handing out brake kits to every Joe Schmoe that asks. If we were, we wouldn't be in business right now! Even the top pro race teams buy parts from us, as does Toyota for their TRD product line. Most of our employees are hardcore track-junkies. We all take our cars to road courses, and have very little interest in the show scene on a personal level.

I think it's really funny that there is any perception of our product being associated with bling or show instead of racing. 99% of our customers have the opposite veiw. Most of them think of us as almost exclusively oriented to racing. In fact, they're typically concerned that our brakes will be too aggressive for the street, which is obviously not the case.

4. Name recognition and brand image...well, we're a newer, smaller company than Brembo. Of course less people know our name! Arguing that our product or company is no good because of our 'newness' is the silliest argument I ever heard. Businesses have to start at some point...they aren't magically a $500 million organization. The ones that succeed are typically innovative, produce good products, and support their customers. Their customers recommend the product to others, and over time the brand equity that grows from doing things the right way enables the company to grow into that $500 million organization. That's what we're trying to do. We don't apologize for not being as big as Brembo, because they had a 25 year head start on us! Just as in brakes though, bigger isn't always better.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 09:18 AM
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A lot of ignorance in this thread. I'm contemplating whether I should beat people into their places.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by John
What world do you live on? A lot of professional series racers use Stoptechs in the U.S.
If you are a professional race such as Formula 1, Leman, Nascars, World Rally and you tell people that you use Stoptech, you get your axx laughed at.

Originally Posted by John
The "average car guy" mostly only cars for "looks".
But at least they know what brembo is



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Goodridge isn't any better than other lines on the market... I've seen them fail just as often on cars as other brands.
I've never heard of brake line fail....are you tring to be funny? Howcan a brake line fail?


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What's your point here? I have the OEM Brembo setup, and at the racetrack I'm always going head to head with advanced 996 and 997 drivers in the braking zone. I could do the same thing with Stoptech, AP, or a larger Brembo kit, but it simply isn't necessary. Now if I was running a lot more power (like F/I), then I'd be more inclined to have larger brakes since I'd be carrying so much more speed on the straight.
So you are saying Stock Brembo brake on 350z is as good as 355mm Gran Turismo Brake kit? Then why do people upgrade from Brembo stock to this?

Only car with F/I should need big brake kit? So when you are braking from 120mpr or 100mph or 60mph, force induction works better with big brake kit?
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by J Ritt
Wow...awesome post.

Not even sure where to begin...
1. Pro Racers win races with our BBK's...including nearly half of the field in World Challenge Touring, including the Championship winning car last year. The components on these cars are exactly the same components that we sell to our customers (a point made by multiple people on this post, thanks gents ).
Take a look at our press releases over the last 2 years, and then get yourself down to your local racetrack when World Challenge or Grand Am Cup comes to town. http://www.stoptech.com/company_info/news.shtml

2. What Brembo/AP does in NASCAR and F1 is almost completely irrelevant to what they make for street cars. Sure there is some learning involved through that experience, but I don't see anybody running carbon/carbon F1 brakes on their 350Z. We have had many requests for product at the top levels of racing, but we haven't gone in that direction for strategic reasons. It costs an obscene amount of money, uses up resources, and it doesn't necessarily ensure that you'll sell any brakes to street car / track day customers. We'd rather prove ourselves in an arena where our customers can draw a parallel to their own car...like World Challenge or Grand Am Cup.

3. Sponsorship...I have no idea how the logic of that whole argement works. We do sponsor some cars that meet our qualifications, in the form of a very small discount. It's next to impossible to get free product from us however (ask someone who's tried). As others have said, just because 10 guys at a show have our brakes and logo on the car doesn't mean we're handing out brake kits to every Joe Schmoe that asks. If we were, we wouldn't be in business right now! Even the top pro race teams buy parts from us, as does Toyota for their TRD product line. Most of our employees are hardcore track-junkies. We all take our cars to road courses, and have very little interest in the show scene on a personal level.

I think it's really funny that there is any perception of our product being associated with bling or show instead of racing. 99% of our customers have the opposite veiw. Most of them think of us as almost exclusively oriented to racing. In fact, they're typically concerned that our brakes will be too aggressive for the street, which is obviously not the case.

4. Name recognition and brand image...well, we're a newer, smaller company than Brembo. Of course less people know our name! Arguing that our product or company is no good because of our 'newness' is the silliest argument I ever heard. Businesses have to start at some point...they aren't magically a $500 million organization. The ones that succeed are typically innovative, produce good products, and support their customers. Their customers recommend the product to others, and over time the brand equity that grows from doing things the right way enables the company to grow into that $500 million organization. That's what we're trying to do. We don't apologize for not being as big as Brembo, because they had a 25 year head start on us! Just as in brakes though, bigger isn't always better.
Good post Jeff. I went with StopTech because my car didn't come with Brembos (if it had I would upgraded to StopTech two piece rotors and stainless steel brake lines along with better pads) and after doing a significant amount of research I determined that StopTech was the best and most cost effective product to enable me to get performance equal to or superior to that offered by the Brembo set up on the Track model Z. Basically I created a Grand Touring Z before Nissan did. I have a Touring model with StopTech brakes and Nismo (Rays) wheels.

As Jeff said the StopTech brake kits sold to the public are exactly what race cars using their product use and even with a 13.1" kit like I have the rotors are not only larger than the OEM Brembos they are also lighter (two piece versus one piece), wider and have better cooling capacity.

For those of you that are so hung up on the Brembo name, keep in mind that although StopTech doesn't race in some of the major race championships like F1 what they do do is race in championship series were the cars are much closer akin to street cars. Therefore we can get the same technology for our street cars. Brembo brakes on an F1 car have very little in common with Brembo brakes for street cars, although I am sure there is some trickle down. For my money and what I was trying to accomplish StopeTech was the right answer for me.

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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by John
This is a retarded thread for several reasons.

1) This isn't actually a poll, rather a "post what you would rather have"
2) The test isn't accurate since all the "kits" come with different pads; a more aggressive pad is going to have a little better initial bite at top speeds
3) While I haven't seen the article, I always question the methodology of testing
4) Since you said money wasn't an issue, then I'll take the ATS carbon brake kit from the R34 Skyline and find a way to retrofit it
The ATS carbon brake kit is not streetable because of reliability issues. ATS says on their own site that it's not meant for street use, nor is it for long term use at the track. They only recommend it for Gymkana (autocross) and time attack, where you only put in a couple of laps. They are currently working on developing a carbon brake system that has the endurance to stand up to extended track use/street use.
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Old Sep 26, 2005 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by love_350z
If you are a professional race such as Formula 1, Leman, Nascars, World Rally and you tell people that you use Stoptech, you get your axx laughed at.
You obviously missed the "in the U.S." part of my comment. As Jeff pointed out, you may want to look at World Challenge and Grand Am.

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I've never heard of brake line fail....are you tring to be funny? Howcan a brake line fail?
Fittings begin to leak / break.

Originally Posted by Love_350z
So you are saying Stock Brembo brake on 350z is as good as 355mm Gran Turismo Brake kit? Then why do people upgrade from Brembo stock to this?

Only car with F/I should need big brake kit? So when you are braking from 120mpr or 100mph or 60mph, force induction works better with big brake kit?
To the average driver, absolutely there will be marginal difference. Like most air intake systems, the performance gains are psychological. At the track, there won't be too much of a difference either unless you're running 30+ minute sessions with a 350Z - in fact, the added weight and rotational mass of the larger brake system will actually hurt your laptimes. The key is finding the right balance between the car's amount of power and weight for the optimum brake size, and the OEM Brembo brake system works just fine.

When I mentioned F/I, I was referring to the increased speeds you'd have at the end of the straight on each lap, and at that point, yes, having a larger brake system would benefit the car.

For the record, if I hadn't gotten the track package, I would have gone with the Stoptech brand. Aside from the fact that they have established such a great reputation in racing over the past several years, they have top-notch customer service and best of yet, strong U.S. support. Any other foreign brand can become a hassle since parts are more difficult to come by and you have to go through a middleman most of the time instead of dealing right with the company.

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The ATS carbon brake kit is not streetable because of reliability issues. ATS says on their own site that it's not meant for street use, nor is it for long term use at the track. They only recommend it for Gymkana (autocross) and time attack, where you only put in a couple of laps. They are currently working on developing a carbon brake system that has the endurance to stand up to extended track use/street use.
If I had the sort of money or the actual need for the ATS brake kit, I certaintly wouldn't be using the Z for the street. To be honest, if I had that kind of disposable money, I'd probably be racing a GT3 Cup car or Radical SR3 instead...
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If I had the sort of money or the actual need for the ATS brake kit, I certaintly wouldn't be using the Z for the street. To be honest, if I had that kind of disposable money, I'd probably be racing a GT3 Cup car or Radical SR3 instead...
Ohhh... Radical SR3... That's such a cool track car... Too bad it's not street legal like it is in England.
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Originally Posted by Wazowski
A lot of ignorance in this thread. I'm contemplating whether I should beat people into their places.
Will you? Please? (even if i'm among them, even though I don't feel I've shown my ignorance like some *cough*love_350*cough*)

Does anyone else get the feeling that this thread should have been titled "Everyone look at me I got a blingin' Brembo BBK"? BTW love, I want to see pics, and then after the 8th of Oct I'll bring back some picks of pro series cars running Stoptechs for you.
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Does anyone else get the feeling that this thread should have been titled "Everyone look at me I got a blingin' Brembo BBK"? BTW love, I want to see pics, and then after the 8th of Oct I'll bring back some picks of pro series cars running Stoptechs for you.
Going down to the Grand-Am / Rolex race weekend at VIR then? Last year was a blast... hmmm... I think I may be free that weekend...
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Going down to the Grand-Am / Rolex race weekend at VIR then? Last year was a blast... hmmm... I think I may be free that weekend...
I have a room. Just not 100% sure if I can make it yet.
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Originally Posted by ZPirate
For those of you that are so hung up on the Brembo name, keep in mind that although StopTech doesn't race in some of the major race championships like F1 what they do do is race in championship series were the cars are much closer akin to street cars. Therefore we can get the same technology for our street cars. Brembo brakes on an F1 car have very little in common with Brembo brakes for street cars, although I am sure there is some trickle down. For my money and what I was trying to accomplish StopeTech was the right answer for me.
and why is it that Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin, Mercedes, etc.. run on brembo brakes? Aren't they street cars? I think you have it the other way around... it's 50+ years of knowledge, research and racing that enabled them them to grow into the higher motorsport venues. Not the other way around...

Stoptech produces OK brakes just like a whole other bunch of companies do... endless, rotora, etc...
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and why is it that Porsche, Ferrari, Aston Martin, Mercedes, etc.. run on brembo brakes? Aren't they street cars? I think you have it the other way around... it's 50+ years of knowledge, research and racing that enabled them them to grow into the higher motorsport venues. Not the other way around...

Stoptech produces OK brakes just like a whole other bunch of companies do... endless, rotora, etc...
You are missing my point entirely. Do those cars you mention run F1 Brembo racing brakes or for that matter any kind of Brembo racing brakes on their cars? I don't think so. My point was that anyone can purchase for their street car the exact same StopTech brakes that are raced every weekend. That is about as close as any street car can get to true racing brakes.

Does Brembo make good brakes and brake kits? Sure it does. Does it's years of making brakes and participating in racing help it make good brakes? Sure it does. Are the Brembo brakes on the majority of production cars true racing brakes? Absolutely not. Does that mean that they aren't good brakes? Absolutely not. For those who track their cars StopTech gives them the best of both worlds, brakes that work very well on the street and on the track.

By the way have you ever had any experience with StopTech brakes? Perhaps you should try them, you might like them.
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Originally Posted by Nano
Stoptech produces OK brakes just like a whole other bunch of companies do... endless, rotora, etc...
C'mon, dude. Please don't group Endless with Rotora.
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Did I miss what magazine this article is in? Didn't he say SCC? I checked out the current SCC and there was nothing in it about 350Z brakes. If it is SCC, how do you know the results of something that hasn't been printed yet? Was your car the one they tested on?
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You are missing my point entirely. Do those cars you mention run F1 Brembo racing brakes or for that matter any kind of Brembo racing brakes on their cars? I don't think so. My point was that anyone can purchase for their street car the exact same StopTech brakes that are raced every weekend. That is about as close as any street car can get to true racing brakes.
explain to me what is a racing brake???... they are standard floating calipers, standard iron rotors, standard brake pads and standard SS brake lines... there is nothing fancy or racing about these brakes except the fact they are used on touring cars... which are basically highly modified street cars. Maybe you meant track proven?... which is also true of Wilwood, Rotora, Endless, Alcon, AP racing, Tarox,... etc.... and what about the lowly brembo oem brakes run on every 350z in grand-am cup? Aren't they not "racing"? GT3 cup cars, 360 challenge cars... what do they run? What is your argument exactly?

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Originally Posted by John
Going down to the Grand-Am / Rolex race weekend at VIR then? Last year was a blast... hmmm... I think I may be free that weekend...
Already bought my ticket, don't know if the Z will make it down though, there might be carpooling involved. Do we have a regional thread about this event yet though? If not, we should.

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explain to me what is a racing brake???...
I think this is a good point for clarification. I think what most people are saying is this: Brembo's brakes for F1, WRC, etc are entirely different than the BBKs they offer for our cars. When it comes to 350Zs, I personally feel that Stoptech has done more homework, and proven themselves equally as much, if not more than Brembo in competition on tracks across the country. Both are great BBKs, both look awesome, both probably resist fade more than stock or Track Brembos...the only reason such debate came up is b/c love_350z decides he should tell people their responses are biased (though he owns Brembo himself), and starts talking about how they are technically better because they are more well known and the company has a Formula 1 development program. This is why a name sells, Brembo hasn't been on the boards supporting us and learning about the Z, we haven't seen their reps here troubleshooting and talking down braking issues...but, they have a better NAME. I think love_350z is a great example of when you buy something and feel like you need to defend it at all costs. love-would still like a pic of your BBK...
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+1 Resolute, I got the SCC too and don't see what he's talking about
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