Best Coilover and Sways for oversteer/drift/semi track use
Originally Posted by anotheraznguy
silkroad is great w/ the 240sx community but no one has tried them out on the z as of yet
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Originally Posted by anotheraznguy
silkroad is great w/ the 240sx community but no one has tried them out on the z as of yet
Originally Posted by zillinois
As for spring rates and car handling, the way I look at it, if you've got a near 50/50 car, rear drive, same spring rate and tire size on all 4 corners, you should be driving a pretty neutral car. That's the theory anyway. Very few of the other setups have the same spring rates all the way around.
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Originally Posted by Asterix
Don't confuse the rate of the spring by itself with the spring rate at the wheel. The front and rear suspension may have different mechanical advantages, making springs with the same rates front/rear have different rates at the wheel. You want the front to have a higher wheel rate than the rear so the car doesn't drive funny. Someone on the board probably knows the divider to get from spring rate to wheel rate. I've not had time to measure it yet.
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What is interesting though is that the Koni/Truechoice was higher in front and lower in the rear and that was the way I was headed (as mentioned earlier) if I would have kept the Basics or got a new setup. I wanted to drop the rear lower than the front. So I'm guessing that the rear has very high motion rate. This does not bode well for all of those guys who have 600+ lbs springs on the rear unless they want a tail-happy car.
Originally Posted by Asterix
Don't confuse the rate of the spring by itself with the spring rate at the wheel. The front and rear suspension may have different mechanical advantages, making springs with the same rates front/rear have different rates at the wheel. You want the front to have a higher wheel rate than the rear so the car doesn't drive funny. Someone on the board probably knows the divider to get from spring rate to wheel rate. I've not had time to measure it yet.
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Originally Posted by Asterix
Don't confuse the rate of the spring by itself with the spring rate at the wheel. The front and rear suspension may have different mechanical advantages, making springs with the same rates front/rear have different rates at the wheel. You want the front to have a higher wheel rate than the rear so the car doesn't drive funny. Someone on the board probably knows the divider to get from spring rate to wheel rate. I've not had time to measure it yet.
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http://www.mirafiori.com/dave/s-terms.html
Originally Posted by 636Racer
unsprung weight and spring weight?
http://www.mirafiori.com/dave/s-terms.html
http://www.mirafiori.com/dave/s-terms.html
Asterix is refering to the fact that there is a difference between compressing a spring on a spring tester (straight up/down motion) vs. compressing a spring on a suspension (arched motion and leverage). Compressing a spring on a suspension may change the practical spring rate.
I think I see a few typo's here that are confusing the discussion. Wheel spring RATE is very different from the unsprung WEIGHT of the spring. Most books use around 50% of the spring's weight as it's sprung/unsprung mass. My math skills are too poor to calculate the ratio's of the machine measured spring rates, to the actual wheel rates that vary with the springs distance from the center of the tire's contact patch do to the different leverages being applied. Wow, now I'm getting confused!
Originally Posted by Roggan
Acctually from the research ive been doing during the day the Zeals seams like the best coils you can get, best spring rate combo and I saw some very possitive feedback from owners, though i have no idea of propper price (saw some for $3000!?) and availability, where can you get them for the best price?
I guess since the Zeals have stiffer springs and are more biased towards the rear they would compensate for the sways, while adding additionally stiff sways would make the car too stuff and very "snappy".
If the Zeals are in the $3000 ballpark im clearly leaning towards ~$700 basics + $300 hotchkis sways based superior value and zillinios experience with this setup... Ive already booked up $6500+ to get a full JDM Nismo V2 bodykit with CF rear wing, so im not so keen on making it 10k so fast hehe
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I guess since the Zeals have stiffer springs and are more biased towards the rear they would compensate for the sways, while adding additionally stiff sways would make the car too stuff and very "snappy".
If the Zeals are in the $3000 ballpark im clearly leaning towards ~$700 basics + $300 hotchkis sways based superior value and zillinios experience with this setup... Ive already booked up $6500+ to get a full JDM Nismo V2 bodykit with CF rear wing, so im not so keen on making it 10k so fast hehe
/Roger
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Originally Posted by EnthuZ
I think I see a few typo's here that are confusing the discussion. Wheel spring RATE is very different from the unsprung WEIGHT of the spring. Most books use around 50% of the spring's weight as it's sprung/unsprung mass. My math skills are too poor to calculate the ratio's of the machine measured spring rates, to the actual wheel rates that vary with the springs distance from the center of the tire's contact patch do to the different leverages being applied. Wow, now I'm getting confused!

Originally Posted by Asterix
Someone on the board probably knows the divider to get from spring rate to wheel rate.
apparently so, as well as the AE86 guys too. A friend of mines is has it in his AE86 - featured in www.silkroad-usa.com - and has sponsored a set of RM/A8 for me to use in the G35. I just need time to install them. I'll post pics of them tomorrow.
I agree with the Tein and Hotchkis performance for the money. Yet, I have the Tein Flex with EDFC. EDFC makes it really easy to change from road to track with one touch of the button. For oversteer, look at your tires, our cars come set up for understeer. Just install same size wheels and tires all the way around and drive w/o your VDC on!
If you go with Hotchkis, look at the thread on this board for the shaft collar fix.
Do you have to race in the Snow in Sweden?
If you go with Hotchkis, look at the thread on this board for the shaft collar fix.
Do you have to race in the Snow in Sweden?
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haha...no sht, about the pics? never took pics of them in the box, they're on the car. i attempted to take a pic but it's too dark under the fender well.
maybe when i get a chance to get it back on the lift, i'll take pics then. until then, all can assume labeling me a liar.
maybe when i get a chance to get it back on the lift, i'll take pics then. until then, all can assume labeling me a liar.
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