Rotora 8 piston BBK ????
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Originally Posted by BremboGuy
Jeff,
Your curiosity is completely understandable.
But the one reason I never mentioned any of the "little guys" by name was to avoid a direct confrontation like the one you seem to be trying to instigate.
I stated a fact that is commonly know in "our" industry, and not just an opinion generated because I work for /or/ represent Brembo.
My response, if you need me to be more specific, was not meant to be dismisive or offensive. I was answering a question asked by VN_350z
My answer was supposed to be a nice way of saying that we should only compare apples to apples.
As stated by BubbleAnd he's correct for allot of people. Some people just do BBK's for looks...and thank god that there are "little guys" around to provide them with something to put on their cars.
Your curiosity is completely understandable.
But the one reason I never mentioned any of the "little guys" by name was to avoid a direct confrontation like the one you seem to be trying to instigate.
I stated a fact that is commonly know in "our" industry, and not just an opinion generated because I work for /or/ represent Brembo.
My response, if you need me to be more specific, was not meant to be dismisive or offensive. I was answering a question asked by VN_350z
My answer was supposed to be a nice way of saying that we should only compare apples to apples.
As stated by BubbleAnd he's correct for allot of people. Some people just do BBK's for looks...and thank god that there are "little guys" around to provide them with something to put on their cars.
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Originally Posted by XBS
No one has them on the boards. It will not make you stop any better. My friend has a rotora 6 and i have the 8 and it is the same. It is a show mod. If you want a strickly performance brake kit go with stop tech. If you care about looks and ont need the best performing brakes get the Rotoras.
Just read up on Stoptech "info FAQs"..
besides, 12-piston setups is for race use.. and the bigger the calipers with bigger piston bores, the more you will need to run a 2nd Master cylinder for front and rear brake bias.. you wont be able to move enough fluid to the calipers. It's truely a race deal first, show mod later IF you have 15" rotors to match them.
Racing Brake also makes BBKs that are more cost effective and they work well. If you want the Bling and pure track performance, get something that is Alcon or APRacing based calipers.
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Originally Posted by xenonk
only time when you need that many pistons is IF you actually have more piston area to produce more force on the brake pads..
Just read up on Stoptech "info FAQs"..
besides, 12-piston setups is for race use.. and the bigger the calipers with bigger piston bores, the more you will need to run a 2nd Master cylinder for front and rear brake bias.. you wont be able to move enough fluid to the calipers. It's truely a race deal first, show mod later IF you have 15" rotors to match them.
Racing Brake also makes BBKs that are more cost effective and they work well. If you want the Bling and pure track performance, get something that is Alcon or APRacing based calipers.
Just read up on Stoptech "info FAQs"..
besides, 12-piston setups is for race use.. and the bigger the calipers with bigger piston bores, the more you will need to run a 2nd Master cylinder for front and rear brake bias.. you wont be able to move enough fluid to the calipers. It's truely a race deal first, show mod later IF you have 15" rotors to match them.
Racing Brake also makes BBKs that are more cost effective and they work well. If you want the Bling and pure track performance, get something that is Alcon or APRacing based calipers.
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I stated a fact that is commonly know in "our" industry, and not just an opinion generated because I work for /or/ represent Brembo.
My answer was supposed to be a nice way of saying that we should only compare apples to apples.
And he's correct for allot of people. Some people just do BBK's for looks...and thank god that there are "little guys" around to provide them with something to put on their cars.
g35twinturbo, Thanks for the support! I do have lots of other important things to do, but I don't view this as a waste of time. I like meeting our customers, giving advice, etc.
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Originally Posted by Bubble
Jeff, have your company conduct a one to one test to compare Stoptech with Rotora yet? Let say 4 pots (rotora) vs 4 pots (stoptech)
He never answers you. You know why.
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This is too funny.
Maybe I should have my laywer write my posts.
I still have never said a name other than ..
BREMBO ... AP ... ALCON .or. Performance Friction
It's obvious your looking for a conflict.
I wish you the best of luck finding one because we're not interested.
Maybe I should have my laywer write my posts.
I still have never said a name other than ..
BREMBO ... AP ... ALCON .or. Performance Friction
It's obvious your looking for a conflict.
I wish you the best of luck finding one because we're not interested.
Originally Posted by J Ritt
Okay...I'm waiting. You still haven't qualified your opinion. Who are you, and who do you work for?
Originally Posted by J Ritt
Okay, so let me rephrase for you in a not-so-nice way...what you're saying is that you can't compare StopTech to Brembo, because your product is superior.
Originally Posted by J Ritt
So you're implying that a StopTech kit is good enough for looks for a guy that is after such things?
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Originally Posted by BremboGuy
Jeff,
Your curiosity is completely understandable.
But the one reason I never mentioned any of the "little guys" by name was to avoid a direct confrontation like the one you seem to be trying to instigate.
I stated a fact that is commonly know in "our" industry, and not just an opinion generated because I work for /or/ represent Brembo.
My response, if you need me to be more specific, was not meant to be dismisive or offensive. I was answering a question asked by VN_350z
My answer was supposed to be a nice way of saying that we should only compare apples to apples.
As stated by BubbleAnd he's correct for allot of people. Some people just do BBK's for looks...and thank god that there are "little guys" around to provide them with something to put on their cars.
Your curiosity is completely understandable.
But the one reason I never mentioned any of the "little guys" by name was to avoid a direct confrontation like the one you seem to be trying to instigate.
I stated a fact that is commonly know in "our" industry, and not just an opinion generated because I work for /or/ represent Brembo.
My response, if you need me to be more specific, was not meant to be dismisive or offensive. I was answering a question asked by VN_350z
My answer was supposed to be a nice way of saying that we should only compare apples to apples.
As stated by BubbleAnd he's correct for allot of people. Some people just do BBK's for looks...and thank god that there are "little guys" around to provide them with something to put on their cars.
... Now this is about to get good!
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It's obvious your looking for a conflict.
I wish you the best of luck finding one because we're not interested. I still have never said a name other than ..
BREMBO ... AP ... ALCON .or. Performance Friction
I wish you the best of luck finding one because we're not interested. I still have never said a name other than ..
BREMBO ... AP ... ALCON .or. Performance Friction
When you're ready to have a tech talk about the merits of your systems vs. ours, and why our system isn't a worthy apples to apples comparison as you imply, let me know and I'll gladly participate. Heck, why don't we start with an easy one, and you can explain to us why your system is better than stock (hint: "because it says Brembo on it," won't work in this situation)?
This is too funny.
Maybe I should have my laywer write my posts.
Maybe I should have my laywer write my posts.
Bubble,
He never answers you. You know why.
He never answers you. You know why.
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Jeff,
the reason i ask because it seem to me that every single time there is a thread about Rotora, i see a stoptech reply and most of the time, you guys point to your FAQ question and indirectly hint that Rotora design/quality is not good as Stoptech.
Can you point us to the result of stoptech calipers are stiffer and rotor flow more air? Not that we don't take your word for it but some proven fact will be nice.
You guy only pick on Rotora and leave other manf alone. Don't you agree? I mean if you already dominate the market then why worry about people buying Rotora? I see that Stoptech is very aggresive with their marketing tactic; which is a good thing. I guess that why you guy gain big share in the market.
the reason i ask because it seem to me that every single time there is a thread about Rotora, i see a stoptech reply and most of the time, you guys point to your FAQ question and indirectly hint that Rotora design/quality is not good as Stoptech.
Can you point us to the result of stoptech calipers are stiffer and rotor flow more air? Not that we don't take your word for it but some proven fact will be nice.
You guy only pick on Rotora and leave other manf alone. Don't you agree? I mean if you already dominate the market then why worry about people buying Rotora? I see that Stoptech is very aggresive with their marketing tactic; which is a good thing. I guess that why you guy gain big share in the market.
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Originally Posted by Bubble
Jeff,
the reason i ask because it seem to me that every single time there is a thread about Rotora, i see a stoptech reply and most of the time, you guys point to your FAQ question and indirectly hint that Rotora design/quality is not good as Stoptech.
Can you point us to the result of stoptech calipers are stiffer and rotor flow more air? Not that we don't take your word for it but some proven fact will be nice.
You guy only pick on Rotora and leave other manf alone. Don't you agree? I mean if you already dominate the market then why worry about people buying Rotora? I see that Stoptech is very aggresive with their marketing tactic; which is a good thing. I guess that why you guy gain big share in the market.
the reason i ask because it seem to me that every single time there is a thread about Rotora, i see a stoptech reply and most of the time, you guys point to your FAQ question and indirectly hint that Rotora design/quality is not good as Stoptech.
Can you point us to the result of stoptech calipers are stiffer and rotor flow more air? Not that we don't take your word for it but some proven fact will be nice.
You guy only pick on Rotora and leave other manf alone. Don't you agree? I mean if you already dominate the market then why worry about people buying Rotora? I see that Stoptech is very aggresive with their marketing tactic; which is a good thing. I guess that why you guy gain big share in the market.
He always says Stoptech is superior to Rotora but not Brembo or AP....WHY?
As matter of fact, there was one time I asked him why Stoptech caliper look so much similar to Brembo. He never gave me a direct answer.
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You guy only pick on Rotora and leave other manf alone. Don't you agree?
He always says Stoptech is superior to Rotora but not Brembo or AP....WHY?
As matter of fact, there was one time I asked him why Stoptech caliper look so much similar to Brembo. He never gave me a direct answer.
As matter of fact, there was one time I asked him why Stoptech caliper look so much similar to Brembo. He never gave me a direct answer.
Okay, if I really need to say it, yes, Brembo makes a high quality brake system....BUT, our brake system is superior to the Brembo and AP systems for the 350Z, and it costs about 20% less. Now I'll wait for BremboGuy to refute this statement...then I'll dissect his answer and give you 10 good reasons why my statements are true, and his are not true. Sound good? I think it should be in another post started by BremboGuy however, as this one has gone far afield of its intended topic. Waiting...
Also, why is it okay for you to continually point a finger at me and say I'm dodging the 30 repetitive questions that the two of you keep posting (that have already been answered on this forum and others 100 times), when you won't answer mine? Why aren't you on BremboGuy's case to put together this brake test that you so desperately need?
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Originally Posted by Bubble
Jeff, have your company conduct a one to one test to compare Stoptech with Rotora yet? Let say 4 pots (rotora) vs 4 pots (stoptech)
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I haven't seen Stoptech talked about Wilwood or AP but ALL the time, it is about Rotora. Again, since you already conduct a test (as you said), can you once again, point it to me to the result that back up for the fact that stoptech calipers are stiffer and rotor flow more air?
daveh, i'm happy with my BBK kit. I don't buy Stoptech for a reason. It doesn't mean Rotora can't track since we have Rickdog and other with Rotora brake on their track car so i don't need you to conduct the test. Since Jeff keep saying they already tested, would be nice if they can point it to their FAQ and it has some result. Just like you keep saying how much hp your car has, without dyno info, it is nothing.
daveh, i'm happy with my BBK kit. I don't buy Stoptech for a reason. It doesn't mean Rotora can't track since we have Rickdog and other with Rotora brake on their track car so i don't need you to conduct the test. Since Jeff keep saying they already tested, would be nice if they can point it to their FAQ and it has some result. Just like you keep saying how much hp your car has, without dyno info, it is nothing.
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Originally Posted by J Ritt
Heck, why don't we start with an easy one, and you can explain to us why your system is better than stock (hint: "because it says Brembo on it," won't work in this situation)?
It is a fact that Brembo is THE LEADER IN BRAKING TECHNOLOGY.
And to back it up....how about the fact that Brembo spends 57 million dollars per year on research and development specifically for "high performance braking". Just for comparison purposes...that is more than the gross sales off all the other high performance brake manufactures combined.
This should give the consumer the confidence that the product they are paying slightly higher dollars for is designed, tested, marketed, and built to be the best performing system available for his or her vehicle.
Now... before you try to pick that apart...
This doesn't mean that it is the best system for each individual consumer.
Some people have a budget...some people will never drive their vehicle in a manner where they will know the difference...some people would like to say that they have 12 pistons...some would like to keep stock wheels...some want something different or new or "patented".
Bottom line...Brembo doesn't produce anything for the purpose of creating hype. They create real products for real situations using real technology.
They don't invent mythological manufacturing terms to confuse people.
They don't sponsor professional drivers to build credibility.
And they don't point out flaws in the competition to make themselves look better.
They simply produce the better product.
Oh...back to the actual question...
Originally Posted by J Ritt
why your system is better than stock?
- For people who desire "better" looks.
It's got big painted calipers and cross drilled or slotted rotors. Red, Black, or Silver calipers standard. Or you can custom order any color in the spectrum.
- For people who desire "better" performance.
Weight savings...more thermal mass in the form of larger discs to absorb and dissipate heat...Larger, lighter and stiffer calipers to provide improved pedal feel, better modulation, quicker response.
- For people who desire the "better" product.
Even if you never use the system to it's full ability...wouldn't you like to know that you have the BEST???
The best quality calipers in the industry.
The best quality discs available.
The only TRUE and proven and patented floating hardware available in any kit.
Brembo designs, tests, manufactures, builds, and assembles every functional piece in their brake systems. They utilize the same quality manufacturing as trusted by Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini, BMW, MBZ, Nissan, Subaru, Lotus, Infinity, Mitsubishi, Audi and on and on and on...
And... the performance you receive trickles down directly from REAL racing history and experience, from F1 to NASCAR to WRC and so on.
(not just a couple drivers in a couple lower level race series)
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daveh, i'm happy with my BBK kit. I don't buy Stoptech for a reason. It doesn't mean Rotora can't track since we have Rickdog and other with Rotora brake on their track car so i don't need you to conduct the test. Since Jeff keep saying they already tested, would be nice if they can point it to their FAQ and it has some result. Just like you keep saying how much hp your car has, without dyno info, it is nothing.
the magazine articles...
http://www.stoptech.com/proven_techn...est_wins.shtml
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Originally Posted by Chebosto
why you afraid of Dave's offer. damn. i would love to see the differences... you wanna prove Rotora @ teh track... dont chicken out dude..
the magazine articles...
http://www.stoptech.com/proven_techn...est_wins.shtml
the magazine articles...
http://www.stoptech.com/proven_techn...est_wins.shtml
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