Notices
Brakes & Suspension 350Z stoppers, coils, shocks/dampers

Camber - Does it need correction?

Old Aug 28, 2006 | 11:36 AM
  #1  
shinobi_350z's Avatar
shinobi_350z
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
From: Toronto
Default Camber - Does it need correction?

I have a 2003 350z, looking into lowering it 1" all around. There is already a good amound of negative camber, does this get worse when I lower the car? What can you use to correct this and how much does it cost?
Reply
Old Aug 28, 2006 | 01:10 PM
  #2  
jovasi's Avatar
jovasi
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 851
Likes: 0
From: Cleveland
Default

I lowered mine w/ Eibach's & yes I needed camber arms. I used SPC arms in the rear & Cusco upper control arms up front.
Reply
Old Aug 28, 2006 | 01:16 PM
  #3  
drifter23's Avatar
drifter23
New Member
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 931
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area
Default

I am lowered 1.5 inches all away around on Tanabe NF210 springs. And have had no problems with tire wear so far. Only had an alignment when I installed the springs. Had this setup for 1 year with no problems. I have a 2004 base model 350Z.
Reply
Old Aug 28, 2006 | 02:08 PM
  #4  
shinobi_350z's Avatar
shinobi_350z
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2006
Posts: 153
Likes: 0
From: Toronto
Default

does it look cambered though drifter23?
Reply
Old Aug 28, 2006 | 02:21 PM
  #5  
drifter23's Avatar
drifter23
New Member
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 931
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area
Default

The rear tires have a slight angle to them. I have attached a pic of my car for your viewing pleasure. But, I don't know if the picture will help you out.
Attached Thumbnails Camber - Does it need correction?-camber-rear.jpg  

Last edited by drifter23; Aug 28, 2006 at 02:27 PM.
Reply
Old Aug 28, 2006 | 03:18 PM
  #6  
TanabeUSA's Avatar
TanabeUSA
 
Joined: Apr 2005
Posts: 38
Likes: 0
From: Torrance CA
Default

A bad toe setting will wear out a tire exponentially faster than camber will.

Camber is not that bad for tire wear as long as it is not too far off. Most vehicles have some camber from the factory.

The difference is perhaps a tire that should last 20,000 will only go about 18,000

Reply
Old Aug 28, 2006 | 04:09 PM
  #7  
palepony's Avatar
palepony
New Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 347
Likes: 5
From: calgary, alberta, canada
Default

drifter23

can you post a scan of your alignment sheet?

thx

pp
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 02:05 PM
  #8  
drifter23's Avatar
drifter23
New Member
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 931
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area
Default

Originally Posted by palepony
drifter23

can you post a scan of your alignment sheet?

thx

pp
I tried posting the scan of my alignment sheet but, couldn't because the file was to big. If, you want it just PM me your email address and I can email it to you.
Reply
Old Aug 30, 2006 | 05:37 PM
  #9  
palepony's Avatar
palepony
New Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 347
Likes: 5
From: calgary, alberta, canada
Default

thanks drifter, PM'd

pp
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 04:44 AM
  #10  
Z1 Performance's Avatar
Z1 Performance
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (564)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,266
Likes: 5
From: Long Island, New York
Default

how much correction you may or may not need will have as much to do with your wheel and tire combo as it does your drop

Every car is different...they are literally like fingerprints. 2 cars with the same drop can have vastly different before/after alignment settings. To further complicate things, 2 cars with the same drop (same springs) running different wheels and tires can also have dramatically different alignment settings. As you move towards wheels that sit further outwards (wide wheels with lower offsets) and the wider tires that these wheels command, any amount you are "out of spec" alignment wise becomes even more exaggerated.

The short answer - you may or may not need to get aftermarket parts to bring the car into spec. The only way to know for sure is install your springs, drive on them for a few days to allow the stock rubber mounts to resettle, then have your alignment checked. From there, you can decide for yourself if you need to buy these parts or not.

Slightly more camber than factory specs is a GOOD thing. A car that runs, let's say 1 degree before a drop and 1.7 degrees afterwards is not going to suddenly start eating tires. As mentioned, toe is the tire killer, not camber. Front toe is adjustable from the factory. Rear toe sort of is, as there is a bolt that has a minute amount of movement to it. For some, the movement this bolt gives you is enough, for others it's nowhere close, and they usually get the SPC kit (most affordable option) to bring it back into spec

Hope that helps
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 10:36 AM
  #11  
palepony's Avatar
palepony
New Member
iTrader: (8)
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 347
Likes: 5
From: calgary, alberta, canada
Default

for those that are interested

drifter23's alignment sheet is all within spec except -1.6 front camber. Most importantly they were able to get the toe in spec. The camber is much better than I was expecting with a 1.5inch drop.

drifter - what wheels/tires are were you running on the alignment rack? The alignment sheet says base 17" wheels. If you are running these - the high offset, narrow tires may explain why your alignment numbers are good compared to others.

thx

pp
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 11:00 AM
  #12  
drifter23's Avatar
drifter23
New Member
iTrader: (27)
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 931
Likes: 0
From: Bay Area
Default

I am running the stock 17 inch wheels with Nitto NT-555. The tire sizes that I am running are Fronts 245/45-17 and Rears 255/45-17.
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 12:32 PM
  #13  
Z1 Performance's Avatar
Z1 Performance
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (564)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,266
Likes: 5
From: Long Island, New York
Default

if you do a search for our screen name and alignment, my specs are posted somewhere too. Keep in mind my car is VERY low, and I've got full adjustment on everything front and rear.

drifter's numbers seem spot on to me - 1.6 front camber is right in the sweet spot of where these cars like to be. I run a touch more on my own car, but it's only due to personal preference
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 03:31 PM
  #14  
abui01's Avatar
abui01
New Member
iTrader: (68)
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 4,120
Likes: 1
From: McDonalds - NOVA - DC/MD/VA
Default

Z1 Performance,
I'm running into the same issue because I recently installed my suspension with only a 0.5 inch drop all around, I have the SPC camber kit/toe bolts and cusco A-Arms ready to go but waiting around for a few days so everything settles in. Just curious if factory components would be enough to correct my mild drop, would I really need to install these parts or just sell em to someone with a crazier drop?
Reply
Old Aug 31, 2006 | 03:49 PM
  #15  
Z1 Performance's Avatar
Z1 Performance
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (564)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,266
Likes: 5
From: Long Island, New York
Default

abui01 - the short answer, is that it depends. If you are on stock wheels and tires, I would bet you'll come close to getting back to stock toe easily. Camber is not factory adjustable so that will end up where it ends up.

The other thing to consider too is that not all springs drop their advertised amount - some are more, some are less. The resultant changes to your alignment also are dependant upon what your alignment specs were before the drop.
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Lt_Ballzacki
Brakes & Suspension
39
Aug 6, 2021 06:19 AM
350Z Project X
Suspension
9
Oct 10, 2015 09:23 AM
MicVelo
NorCal Marketplace
9
Oct 4, 2015 07:55 PM
Rowlett
Misc.
3
Oct 2, 2015 10:38 AM
Depravity
Brakes & Suspension
14
Oct 1, 2015 04:49 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:34 AM.