Hi guys. I have a '03 MT Enthusiast trim. My alignment was off and the front tires were bald before I changed 4 new Nitto Neo Gen tires on the stock 17" wheels last week.

And I did an alignment right after that. The alignment printout (ATTACHED) looks good to me, but the car still pulls to the right like it did before. (e.g. letting go the steering wheel for 3 seconds pulls the car to the right lane).

Is there anything else could be wrong? My tires and alignment are recent and good, tire pressure are at 35 on all 4 tires. Any input would be appreciated.

 

Looks horrible. No offense. You have WAY too much toe out IMHO and your camber is drastically different in the rear. For reference my alignment settings for the street were

Front:
Left
Camber: -1.6 degrees
Toe: 0.0 degrees

Right
Camber: -1.5 degrees
Toe: 0.0 degrees

Rear

Left
Camber: -1.5 degrees
Toe: -0.05 degrees

Right
Camber: -1.5 degrees
Toe: -0.05 degrees

The car tracked pretty well with that setting although later I did go to 0 toe in the back.

 

Thanks for the reply. The toes are 0.06 all across and according to the technician it's the best number as the specified range is between 0.00 and 0.10, is he correct? And are rear cambers easy to adjust?

 

He said they are the best because thats basically dead center in the specified range. In regards to handling and tracking when driving on the road I doubt that its the best. My personal experience was that the car tracked the best with a 0 toe in the front and a total -0.1 in the rear. The rear camber is easy to adjust but you need an alignment rack to set it. Are you lowered at all? Do you have have adjustable rear camber arms?

 

My ideal setting is for minimum uneven tire wear and straight line stability, not pulling to either side. I will go there again and let them adjust the toes as close to 0.0 as possible, and adjust the rear cambers to -1.5.

Since the front cambers are not adjustable, I can just ask them to set the rear cambers to -1.5.

No my car is not lowered, it's bone stock, and without adjustable rear camber arms. But I believe the rear cambers can be adjusted for a stock car, but only marginally.

 

When it comes to handling, toe is dependant on the driver. Most people don't like zero 0 because for one thing, it doesn't allow the tires to get warm enough. however, if the toe is different left to right, it can cause the car to drive to the left or right.. I think 0.05 toe is fine

Its more or less ur thrust angle. 0 is pretty ideal for that.

 

A street driven car should always be set up with Toe In on both the front and the rear. The camber looks fine for a street driven car. Although I would have specified less camber in the rear, and the right and left camber being off would be felt under acceleration, the car would tend to pull to the left if the camber made a difference.

The rear camber and toe are easy to adjust. But, you must always set camber first than toe.

Did you sit in the drivers seat when this was performed? What am I talking about, this is a street driven car - shouldn't really matter.

Why the car pulls to the right, from your alignment - it shouldn't. Toe is the single most import thing in an alignment to get right, and they set it dead on.
The only thing I can think of is they set the front toe when the steering wheel was not directly straight?
The other posiblity is you have a bent linkage in your suspension?
The best idea I have is that your corner weights/ride hieght are extermely off?

 

^ why is toe in for street? I kinda like having a little bit of toe out. The car feels better at the edge, albiet a little twitchy driving straight.

 

Toe IN is a stable condition, where as Toe out is an unstable condition. You never set up a car with Toe out on the rear tires, so lets talk about the front.
With Toe in, the car will want to drive straight, minor changes in the road and the car will still want to drive straight. It makes for a very plesent fell on the highway at speeds.
With Toe out, the car will want to drive straight until there are some minor imperfection in the road. Since roads are not uniform, one tire will see the imperfect and get more grip than the other tire. The car will then follow the imperfection and you will have to "fight" the car to stay in a straight line.

Road Racers and AutoX's will use Toe out on the front tires since they are wanting to carry a lot of speed in a turn. With toe out and turning the wheel, the wheels will be then be set up for the correct radius on each tire, since the outer and inner tire will have to turn at different speeds. And we don't mind the car being a little unstable in a straight line since we are always concentrating and have both hands on the wheel. When you driving on the street, most of the time you want to relax and drive with one hand (and god forbid you talk on the cell phone when you drive).