But you are just buying any product, that's my point. Unless your holding out on posting a shock dyno that I have yet to see that proves they perform. Every single coilover offered for the car get's reviewed by owners with all kinds of wonderfull comments at one time or another. Seeing a shock dyno takes the discussion beyond owner comments that only want to wax the good things and never mention the bad because doing so either makes them feel bad or more likely, they don't know what bad behavior is. Would love to see a D-spec shock dyno vs many other cheap coilover products that operate within the D-spec's spring rate range. Other things can come into play, like if we were not talking about mild drop's, at that point piston stoke becomes a issue with shocks, yet something else that get's waxed over.

 

When the circumstances are right and you have a honest vendor that is willing to ask you the right question's and not just cut to the easy sale. He's the person that tell's you what you need to hear, not just what you want to hear.

You want drop amount greater then 1" (maintaining piston stoke)

When your desired spring rate won't work with your given shock choice.

When you can get better damping (valving) in a given coilover product vs your given shock choice. (until we as a group step up and start performing some shock dyno on a few products, you have no real reliable method know what is poor, good, better or best in this area. IMO, the list is short Ohlins, Bilstein, Zeal and perhaps HKS III, Tein Monoflex, and Cusco Zero2. Passing metion can be made to Kw, and Tanabe Pro5 & 7, but again those I list and DIDN'T list need to be dyno'd get get beyond prejudice and opinion.

 

let's start from the top to avoid confusion

1. What does your car do right now that you like?

2. What does your car do right now that you wish were different?

3. What is your budget?

4. What other handling related mods do you currently have (including wheels and tires)?

5. What are the road conditions where you live?

With detailed answers to the above it's easier to make some solid recommendations and not just "me too" answer, or an "I heard" answer.

 

Tokico D-spec shocks/struts - $554.95 (shocks only)
http://www.hopupracing.com/todsuni35ing.html

best i found for the D-spec shocks with the springs is $776.52


Tein Basic coilovers- $874.00
http://www.hopupracing.com/tebadani35.html


um, by my math that is not "three times the cost".

 

No, but one product is worth investing in, and the other really is not (from the standpoint of actually improving handling) ....so it's an apples to oranges comparison

 

Tokico D-Spec springs and shocks for $629
http://www.thezstore.com/page/TZS/PROD/350z11b/23-3998

You're comparing apples to oranges though. Tein Basic coilvers don't have any rebound or compression adjustment, which the D-Specs do. To get that adjustability in a coilover you're typically looking at $1200+. Really the only thing you're missing going with springs/adjustable shocks vs coilovers is height adjustment, which if you get the right springs shouldn't be something you need to adjust anyway...

 

Ok, well what I do like is majority of everything..... I do wish turning was slightly tighter. I do want lowering but dont really wanna affect the car's natural feel! My budget is well say up to $1000. In regards to handling mods all I have are 19" volk sf's wrapped in bfg's which are 235/285. As to road conditions, typical surface streets with its typical flaws such as bumps, etc. Thx again, ttyl

 

ok - given that, I think the D Spec combo is your best bet overall. Gives you a nice drop that is noticeable, but not so much where you will compromise suspension travel. Also gives you real, meangingful dampening adjustment, so you can tailor how the car feels over bumps, etc to suit your roads and your wheel/tire combo.

In terms of making the car turn in better, couple things you can do

bigger front tires - if you really have a 235/285 front/back stagger, that is a bit out of the ordinary. A bit more meat up front (I'd go 255), combined with a bit more negative camber (these cars love a bit of extra front camber) and it will feel like a completely different car!

 

i choose a tokico D-spec with Tanabe GF210

Its a good choice

I need a nice drop, confort, and a couple hour of track

 

i wasn't comparing anything except showing that person that said that "coilovers cost three times more than a spring/shock combo, any coilover" that he was wrong. i know there is no performance comparison between a true coilover and just spring/shock, especially the tein basics

 

canyou give me a LINK or A NAME TO A good choice on the camber kit...?

 

front camber kit:

http://www.z1auto.com/prodmore.asp?m...ng&prodid=1288

rear: http://www.z1auto.com/prodmore.asp?m...ng&prodid=2890

both are ion stock if you need them

 

nice! is cusco the best for front camber? or are they the only ones available? ttys

 

there are several good front a arms out there - we happen to carry the Cusco, and I've used it on my car for about 3 years now. Stillen, and SPL also make good front arms as well

 

TOKICO makes a spring to go with thier D-SPECS...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/TOKIC...QQcmdZViewItem