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FYI - Rear toe bolts - when lowering the rear! Toe alignment

Old 02-20-2010, 06:06 AM
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Lightbulb FYI - Rear toe bolts - when lowering the rear! Toe alignment

https://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-...-template.html

SINCE THIS THREAD WAS ON THE TEMPLATE ONLY AND "POWER2RICE" mentioned the rockauto option, i decided to look it up and post a part number and a screen shot of the tree............long behold i found a cheaper $21.99 option.......

See below:


^ Just to be a little more clear - and since i found option #2 to be cheaper i figured i would post this up!

OPTION 1:
www.rockauto.com
-Nissan/YEAR/350z/suspension/alignment kit/


ACDELCO Part # 45K18060
More Info {Rear #19136556}
ADJUST KIT,REAR CAMBER/CASTER -; +/- 3 DEGREE TOE / CAMBER
* Non-stock item--shipping delayed up to 5 business days

PRICE: $27.79


ALSO:

OPTION #2:
www.rockauto.com
-Nissan/YEAR/350z/STEERING/alignment CAMBERTOE kit/


RAYBESTOS Part # 6161060

More Info {Professional Grade}
Rear Suspension; Minus 3 Degree To Plus 3 Degree Toe / Camber (Only 3 Remaining)

PRICE: $21.99

PART NUMBERS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT DESCRIPTIONS ARE THE SAME! SO IF THE $21.99 ONE IS THE SAME, THEN THATS A NICE PRICE!

PIC:



HOW TO INSTALL THESE BOLTS FOR MORE TOE ADJUSTMENT IS FOUND HERE:
https://my350z.com/forum/brakes-and-...-protocav.html
-Jason

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Old 03-07-2010, 01:13 AM
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Jason I will confirm they are both identical and both do adjust much further past the OEM bolts. The Raybestos and AC Delco bolts are basically identical to the SPC bolts, but priced much lower. OEM bolts adjust approximately only 1.5 degrees plus/minus. Slotting is required for the full range adjustment with the new bolts. However, the OEM toe bolts are perfectly fine to keep you in spec of +0.08" if you are only lowering no more than 1.5" in the rear. Also, for anyone looking to slot, buy the right angle attachment for the Dremel, the flex handle extension suggested by others still gets in the way. And get the carbon steel cutting blade, it will cut the slots much faster than the regular steel cutter bit. As for attempting to use sanding wheels instead, it will cost you more buying a bunch of sanding wheels to handle the job versus just buying the $8 bit.

I am lowered in the rear with hotchkis springs (19mm drop), and the AC Delco bolt bottoms out at exactly -1.0 degree on the alignment machine. Which I can safely say that anyone lowering up to 1.5", the camber bolts will be enough to stay within the 1.6 degree factory specs. But for anyone going 2.0-2.5" slammed look, I suggest the camber arms and one set of these bolts for the toe.

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Old 03-07-2010, 07:08 AM
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Great find.
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Old 03-07-2010, 08:23 PM
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I recently got my alignment redone after installing ICHIBA camber arms. I was going to install the toe bolt as well but like you stated, my dremel didn't give me enough room and I didn't know about the angled extentions prior to this. Plus the DIY template i printed was too big lol...

Well i am currenty lowered on Tokico Sport springs (the ones off D-spec) and I was able to barely get into spec w/o the toe bolt. I saw how adjusting camber affected the toe. The alignment guy was trying too hard so I told him I honestly don't mind some negative rear camber to get in-spec toe.

I ended up with -1.7 of camber and .10 degrees of toe.
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Old 03-11-2010, 05:16 AM
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Great info POWER2RICE...

and yes! i have noticed that with access in dremeling the toe location "Doctors pill" slot bigger....

With a normal dremel tool, no attachments, etc you must drop the oem exhaust in order to gain access............

I dont like the DIY - spc toe bolt install thread - "made by protocav" because that guy is using the flex extension but he has an aftermarket dual can greddy exhaust......

people quickily find that room is tight down there if they dont have an exhaust thats out of the way.......

The oem exhaust has an air diffuser on the front forward facing side that gets in the way.

I have done about 5 or 6 of the SPC toe bolt installs and have elongated that "doctors pill" slot bigger many times......I don't even care if peeps even have the template anymore, i just mimic the identical curvature of the radius and go out a few milimeters as i remember it....... lol...

-J

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Old 03-11-2010, 05:29 AM
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OH SNAP! the secrets out!
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FYI... rockauto has it the raybesto kit now for

$25.79

and AC DELCO for $28.79

when buying from rockauto google search for a 5% coupon.

but what kills you is SHIPPING. i just did this today and it would cost me
$25.79 raybesto bolt
-1.29 discount
15.73 shipping
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40.23

the ACdelco ended up being $34.84 shipped.. 1/2 shipping cost.

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blah, I only have 60k miles on my z, the alignment shop had trouble getting the bolt loose and I had to come back another day when a bigger guy was there, and now they are telling me I need a new bolt.

Pretty frustrated, I don't know much about toe bolts but the same shop did the last two alignments, and now there is a problem after some kid still in school couldn't get it loose.

I guess I'll put one of the AC delco bolts on and bring it back for a free alignment.

Rockauto 5% coupon code - 78165015134852 (valid until 2/20?)

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I got someone to install my toe bolts.. but they elongated the camber bolt slots instead of the toe bolt slots. Is it possible to just elongate the toe hole now, swap the two sets of bolts so that the original bolts are back in the camber slot, or do I need to pick up new toe bolts?
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Old 04-23-2012, 12:08 PM
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So let me get this straight, we're saying the stock toe bolt can be used (just) if you're staying under a 1.5 inch drop on the rear?

Or does it require grinding out the slot on the OEM before that will work?
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If you have an O'reilly Auto Parts next to you, the SPC bolt can be ordered and shipped free to the store for just $30

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...2920&ppt=C0322
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:50 PM
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Nice find, I just ordered these from rock auto. Shipping was $10 and some change the total came to $38.72. As soon as these show up its time to do some trimming and then put on the coilovers.
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Originally Posted by dls350 View Post
If you have an O'reilly Auto Parts next to you, the SPC bolt can be ordered and shipped free to the store for just $30

http://www.oreillyauto.com/site/c/de...2920&ppt=C0322
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Originally Posted by Vince.350z View Post
I got someone to install my toe bolts.. but they elongated the camber bolt slots instead of the toe bolt slots. Is it possible to just elongate the toe hole now, swap the two sets of bolts so that the original bolts are back in the camber slot, or do I need to pick up new toe bolts?
1. Yes, you can put the oem bolts on at the camber location and then go elongate/cut the correct toe location and use the aftermarket bolts where your supposed to - at the toe location.


2. Your best bet however is to get lock out washers at the camber location and buy a camber arm for your adjustment needs.

then go elongate/cut the correct toe location and use the aftermarket bolts where your supposed to - at the toe location.

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Originally Posted by F2CMaDMaXX View Post
So let me get this straight, we're saying the stock toe bolt can be used (just) if you're staying under a 1.5 inch drop on the rear?

Or does it require grinding out the slot on the OEM before that will work?

stock toe bolt will adjust toe within the factory range with factory spec wheel sizes (ie, overall diameter and width-use a tire calculator via google search) given your car isnt dropped lower than about 3/4" to "MAYBE" 1.5".....


You do NOT grind, cut out the doctors pill with the oem bolt, you grind out the aluminum sub frame slot/doctors pill location only when your installing an aftermarket higher degree toe bolt is used due to the car being ridiculously lowered or ridiculous huge azz wheels and widths are used...

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Quick question do these bolts still have the same 5 degree issue as SPC.... I am assuming yes.
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Old 08-02-2012, 06:31 AM
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^ pretty much all of them that i have seen do.....they are all just cheap steel stamp punches that are not of high tollerance to the bolt size...

This is what he is referring too:
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read here:
https://my350z.com/forum/8293599-post19.html

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I just got the AC Delco bolts. They seem to have a very tight snug fit (Bolt & Washer). Not sure if the the 5 degree occurs after installation and driving on it. I will be installing these soon to provide feedback on how they stand up to daily driving.

PS- Thanks JASONZ-YA you been a great help!
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