Dealer recomended doing a Paint/leather/carpets/undercar protection for $999. Has anybody done it? Is it worth it? Is it better than Zaino? The paint protection is a Polymer something sealant. It's also guaranteed for 5 years. Please give an ingonrant person on detail some feedback.

 

I almost went for it, but then after reading thru the various posts, it seemed that many thought it was a waste of dinero. So I opted to not do it.

 

The sales people often get "high-fives" at the next sales meeting when they sell this "package." Oftentimes, it's applied by some part-time kid in the back room, usually stuff you can buy yourself at the local Schucks. There are "programs" out there that have a guarantee or warranty for X number of years, giving you the impression that you need not wax your car in that time. But if you look at the fine print, they may say you have to have it "reapplied" or "reconditioned" every few months or so for X amount of money.

You can buy a lot of Zaino for that price.

And yes, I'm kinda biased toward Zaino.

 

WOW! 3 or 4 posts on this same subject in the last few days, these Nissan dealers must REALLY be pushing these "sealant" packages. Car makers spends millions and millions of dollars on rust proofing, electroplating, etc. to make cars last longer these days, and these dealers think they can top the auto factories? I don't think so. Also most interior fabrics have a stain guard already on them from the factory.

EVERYONE OUT THERE!! DO NOT BUY THESE PACKAGES, CARS COST TOO MUCH AS IT IS, DO NOT PAD THE POCKETS OF THE DEALERSHIP AND SALES PEOPLE WITH DISHONEST PACKAGES LIKE THESE.

Being a person that has worked with several new and used car dealers, I think very little of these programs.

All it is is a polish/wax. Sometimes acrylic based. It doesn't last 3
months let alone three years. It's applied by the dealer or an outside shop. It costs the dealer about $10.00 if they apply it themselves or approx. $60 if farmed out to an outside shop. It's a great money marker for the dealer and salesmen joke about it all the time. The sales guy usually gets another 100.00 added on to his or her commission if they can talk the buyer into the "sealant" program. Sometimes the dealers are so nasty that they include the price of the "sealant" in the payments hidden from the buyer. The guarantee of the "sealant" is useless and hinges on the laws of average. Don't waste your money. If these systems could ever work they'd be formulated in the paint or applied at the factory.....

Most dealers will tell you about a Teflon sealant package. I welcome you to print the following and have them read it in front of you.

Teflon is bullsh$t in a wax, kinda like slick 50 is bullsh$t in a car engine.

Read on:

Dupont several years ago released a press statement about their trade mark product Teflon. In a nutshell, they said the Teflon added nothing to waxes or polishes as Teflon can and will only bond to metal while heated to very high temps. Basically what they were doing was giving a disclaimer for all of the polished and waxes hitting the market making claim after claim about how superior their product was just because it was supposed to contain Teflon. This came out about the time the debacle about PTFE resins and the Slick 50 product that also turned out to be a big farce.

I would like to point to some concrete evidence regarding Teflon. This comes from Professional Carwashing & Detailing magazine, January, 1989, page 110.

A direct quote:

My conclusion is based on the information I have gathered in the past year from representatives, lab technicians and chemists from many leading car care product companies, including Dupont, the maker of Teflon. According to G.R. Ansul of Dupont's Car Care Products Division, "The addition of a Teflon fluoropolymer
resin does nothing to enhance the properties of a car wax. We have no data that indicates the use of Teflon fluorpolymer resins is beneficial in car waxes, and we have not seen data from other people that supports this position." Ansul also notes that, "Unless Teflon is applied at 700 degrees F (371 degrees C), it is not a viable ingredient, and it is 100 percent useless in protecting the paint's finish."

As we can all see, Dupont answered this question once and for all in 1989, over 10 years ago! Let's use the advice of the manufacturer of Teflon that it is no good in a car wax (except for marketing reasons) and move on.

 

thanks. I was really stupid and got it on my purchase plan. I'm going to call the dealer and tell them I don't want it. Am I stuck in this deal now or can I get out of it?

 

To some extent car dealers are a lot like movie theaters. Theaters show movies to get people to come buy their over priced concessions. The film company gets most of the ticket price.

Car dealers sell cars so people will come buy parts and service. I know they make some money off the car, but (from what I've heard) the margin is very low. In other words Nissan gets most of your $30 grand. So the dealer has to sell high margin add ons.

As buyers we must hang together, or we will all hang separately. Good luck.

 

Okay so my 2 cents here I was asked by dealer as I have been with every car I buy these same questions. Accept this time it was different. I don't know if each dealer offeres the same protection products. Here was my experience.

I was offered what is called PermaPlate protection for my exterior and interior. Sometimes marketed under different names PermaPlate was a goverment created product. I believe invented by NASA engineers to protect the space shuttle exterior paint against the Harsh UV rays in space. Anyway. So this is a hand applied wax on the out side and some clear shiny stuff for the inside. I was at the deal when then put this on. The guy who put this on was so into what he does I was shocked. It works for two dealership and has been doing this for over 30 years. He walked through everything about how they wash and wax other cars and what they use and how I should treat my car. Anyway. I this case I don't think it is a scam as it might appear with other people's experience. This guy gave me what was left in this little 8oz bottle and told me there was enough there to apply it to the whole car again anytime. Basically, he was stated that this is better than ony commerical wax available and that it will protect the car from the natural emements.

Granted he also said that other I could still wax my car but didn't recommend it without using this stuff. Now to clarify, this didn't mean buy it from the dealer. Actually he explained something interesting. You ever go to a fair and see that guy trying to sell this car wax and he goes as far as to demo it buy doing all types of crazy stuff to the paint. Ya know like light it on fire and crap like that. Well thats the same **** under a different name. To avoid the high cost the deal markup has he suggested if I saw it to buy it.

Now how can you not beleive a guy like that.

~Space Ace
Brickyard /Enthu.

 

Don't believe any of it, it is all a scam. There is nothing applied to the shuttle, the heat tiles are what protect during re-entry. As a matter of fact if you ever see any product referred to as "NASA" or "space" approved, it is just marketing wizards at work.

100's of different companies employ the old burn the paint dog and pony show trick. Liquid lustre, Auri, Beats um All, I have seen sales people from all of these companies do the burn trick. Here is how it works:

What they pour onto the paint is lighter fluid which burns cool and fast with little residue. Also, liquid does not burn, all that burns is fumes rising off of the liquid so the paint is never really on fire. The paint will not be damaged even it had no wax or polish on it to start with, it is a pure scam otherwise known as a dog and pony show. Now, if he was to use gasoline, that would be a big mess, much more heat and if burned very long lots of paint damage.

You may also see the trick where they wax the car with Brand X and then spray some paint on the surface of the waxed paint and a few seconds later after the paint has flash dried, they again take Brand X wax and use it to remove the paint wiped on with a cotton cloth. So what does that prove, does it prove that Brand X had some secret power not to allow the paint to bond to it, NO, what it proves is that Brand X is loaded with solvents and powerful cleaners that are capable of removing dried paint!!!!!!

I hate to bore ya'll with all this stuff but I have been in the business a long time and have seen just about all the tricks of the trade.

 

You are correct. The title do protect the shuttle. But there is the rest of the vechile that is painted white and black that also needs protection. True all of those tricks I understand. I can only go by what I've hear and how this 30 year detaling vet took care of my car. To go as far as to explain what he did was either a great sales tatic or true passion for the art. Eitherway I don't feel it's a waste. I mean come-on now. As a disributor have you seen permaplate? Do you know what it does and what it's make up is over zymol? It one of those things where it's all hearsay until someone has data to say otherwise. Just like there are good high quality wax materials out there and the bad quality ones with access oils.

So I for one would like to know that if it's all a crock of **** then how can they get away with selling it.

~Space ACe

 

"As a disributor have you seen permaplate? "

Sure I have, it is common "package" that is sold to dealerships for X number of dollars so the dealership can make X number of dollars more on the car buyer.

"Do you know what it does and what it's make up is over zymol?"

Yes I do, and if I don't, all it takes is one phone call from me to find out.

"So I for one would like to know that if it's all a crock of **** then how can they get away with selling it."

I can't help you there, many things are sold that are crocks, and this is not the first nor the last. Look at the history of Slick 50 and their legal problems.

This has nothing to do with who I work for, I am just trying to save the average person $. Anyone would be better off using products on their paint found at common stores than these high dollar "sealants" Meguiars, Mothers, Turtle Wax, you name the product found at a store and I would advise any car buyer that they would be better off in the pocket book with these common products than buy the dealer stuff.

Names of car sealants found at dealerships:

Permaplate
Armor plate
Liquid Gold

many more that I have forgot about.

 

Damn dealership is giving me grief about trying to back out of the permaplate deal. Sales manager is ignoring me and not calling me back. Anyways I have done some research and have come to the conclusion that the crap isn't any different than waxing your car with over the counter stuff. It's just that it lasts longer. Unfortunately I wasn't educated on the crap until after I signed that damn purchase. I really hope I get out of it. If I don't I'm planning on letting that sales manager know that I will not be giving them anymore business I will be going to another dealer for service and that I won't recomend them to anyone who asks. I think that will change the old man's heart. "Customer Service" what a crock. If anyone is getting a new vehicle no matter how high end it is, don't waste a grand or a couple of grand on it unless your absolutely lazy and fat and don't plan on taking care of your vehicle. Thanks to everyone who put there 2 cents in. This forum rocks! Hey Seattle members: let's get together on a weekend and discuss our rides in person!!!