Adding coats of blackfire?
Adding coats of blackfire?
So this past saturday I dawn/claybar/meguiars show car/blackfire'd my car...it looks AMAZING. WAY better than the day I got it
I want to add more layers of blackfire to protect the paint, especially with wintertime around the corner. Do I just wash with a regular car wash (Mother's california gold) and then add the wax, or do I clay bar again? I wanna put like 5-10 layers, so that the paint is well protected. Is that enough? Thanks!
I want to add more layers of blackfire to protect the paint, especially with wintertime around the corner. Do I just wash with a regular car wash (Mother's california gold) and then add the wax, or do I clay bar again? I wanna put like 5-10 layers, so that the paint is well protected. Is that enough? Thanks!
just wash with regualr car wash and add on a coat of APP. I think 2 coats is good enough. I put it on during spring and its still beading like crazy. Blackfire is really durable.
Clay bar will strip the wax you have on your car, so that would mean u have to start from scratch
Clay bar will strip the wax you have on your car, so that would mean u have to start from scratch
yeah that mothers wash is pretty good
durobred, claybar doesn't remove swirls. just removes contaminants that washing doesn't take off and it makes your paint as smooth as silk. TO remove swirls (hiding them that is), you need to get a polish suited for it. Like 3M swirl remover or Meguiars Scratch X. To really remove swirls, you would need to get it professionally done cuz they remove a little bit of the top layer that contains the swirls
durobred, claybar doesn't remove swirls. just removes contaminants that washing doesn't take off and it makes your paint as smooth as silk. TO remove swirls (hiding them that is), you need to get a polish suited for it. Like 3M swirl remover or Meguiars Scratch X. To really remove swirls, you would need to get it professionally done cuz they remove a little bit of the top layer that contains the swirls
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removing swirls
Several people have mentioned different ways to remove/conceal swirls. I did a full detail on my brickyard yesterday to remove all the swirl marks. I took my car to Phill at www.properautocare.com here in Tampa and he suggested Menzerna Intensive and Final polish to REMOVE the swirls. Menzerna is a light abrasive that actually removes a microscopic layer of clear coat to remove the swirl. I used a Porter Cable 7424 for application and applied a coat of Blackfire afterwards. The Menzerna did remove roughly 95% of the swirl marks all over the car. Deeper swirls required more applications and I didn't have time (daylight was running out.) Phill informed me that there are products out there to conceal the swirls but they have to be applied every 3 or so months. At this point, now that I've removed them, Proper Auto Care showed me how to avoid them in the future.
The point is, the swirls can be removed.
The point is, the swirls can be removed.
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Microscopic or not, that freaks me out 
I use Zaino Z5 on mine, it just covers them but it does work.
The Blackfire car wash stuff works pretty good too. I used to use Griots car wash, but Blackfire is a million times better.
I use Zaino Z5 on mine, it just covers them but it does work. The Blackfire car wash stuff works pretty good too. I used to use Griots car wash, but Blackfire is a million times better.
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Re: removing swirls
Originally posted by NOZ4U
Several people have mentioned different ways to remove/conceal swirls. I did a full detail on my brickyard yesterday to remove all the swirl marks. I took my car to Phill at www.properautocare.com here in Tampa and he suggested Menzerna Intensive and Final polish to REMOVE the swirls. Menzerna is a light abrasive that actually removes a microscopic layer of clear coat to remove the swirl. I used a Porter Cable 7424 for application and applied a coat of Blackfire afterwards. The Menzerna did remove roughly 95% of the swirl marks all over the car. Deeper swirls required more applications and I didn't have time (daylight was running out.) Phill informed me that there are products out there to conceal the swirls but they have to be applied every 3 or so months. At this point, now that I've removed them, Proper Auto Care showed me how to avoid them in the future.
The point is, the swirls can be removed.
Several people have mentioned different ways to remove/conceal swirls. I did a full detail on my brickyard yesterday to remove all the swirl marks. I took my car to Phill at www.properautocare.com here in Tampa and he suggested Menzerna Intensive and Final polish to REMOVE the swirls. Menzerna is a light abrasive that actually removes a microscopic layer of clear coat to remove the swirl. I used a Porter Cable 7424 for application and applied a coat of Blackfire afterwards. The Menzerna did remove roughly 95% of the swirl marks all over the car. Deeper swirls required more applications and I didn't have time (daylight was running out.) Phill informed me that there are products out there to conceal the swirls but they have to be applied every 3 or so months. At this point, now that I've removed them, Proper Auto Care showed me how to avoid them in the future.
The point is, the swirls can be removed.
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Originally posted by s9am_me
just wash with regualr car wash and add on a coat of APP. I think 2 coats is good enough. I put it on during spring and its still beading like crazy. Blackfire is really durable.
Clay bar will strip the wax you have on your car, so that would mean u have to start from scratch
just wash with regualr car wash and add on a coat of APP. I think 2 coats is good enough. I put it on during spring and its still beading like crazy. Blackfire is really durable.
Clay bar will strip the wax you have on your car, so that would mean u have to start from scratch
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I have this stuff also. I'll probably use it after the winter season is over. Was it
I was pretty easy. Just make sure the car isn't hot. Also, it's a little harder to remove off of the plastic parts. To avoid this, I didn't apply too much polish to these parts to avoid hazing. Other than that, it was a breeze. I don't know if you'll need to or not, but I did the car in parts. I pretty much did one panel at a time. This is what Menzerna suggests for the best results.
As far as an orbital buffer, Menzerna states you can. It just very important regardless of what type of polisher or buffer you use, to constantly moisten the pad with a spray bottle throughout the process.
Re: Microscopic or not, that freaks me out
Trust me, it's not that harsh.
As far as an orbital buffer, Menzerna states you can. It just very important regardless of what type of polisher or buffer you use, to constantly moisten the pad with a spray bottle throughout the process.
Re: Microscopic or not, that freaks me out
Trust me, it's not that harsh.
Re: I have this stuff also. I'll probably use it after the winter season is over. Was it
Originally posted by NOZ4U
I was pretty easy. Just make sure the car isn't hot. Also, it's a little harder to remove off of the plastic parts. To avoid this, I didn't apply too much polish to these parts to avoid hazing. Other than that, it was a breeze. I don't know if you'll need to or not, but I did the car in parts. I pretty much did one panel at a time. This is what Menzerna suggests for the best results.
As far as an orbital buffer, Menzerna states you can. It just very important regardless of what type of polisher or buffer you use, to constantly moisten the pad with a spray bottle throughout the process.
Re: Microscopic or not, that freaks me out
Trust me, it's not that harsh.
I was pretty easy. Just make sure the car isn't hot. Also, it's a little harder to remove off of the plastic parts. To avoid this, I didn't apply too much polish to these parts to avoid hazing. Other than that, it was a breeze. I don't know if you'll need to or not, but I did the car in parts. I pretty much did one panel at a time. This is what Menzerna suggests for the best results.
As far as an orbital buffer, Menzerna states you can. It just very important regardless of what type of polisher or buffer you use, to constantly moisten the pad with a spray bottle throughout the process.
Re: Microscopic or not, that freaks me out
Trust me, it's not that harsh.
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That's correct. The only catch is that you have to use a electrical polisher/buffer (which you have). If you have any reservations, you can call Proper Auto Care. These people know everything about car detailing. I was a little skeptical myself and I was going to have my car buffed and repainted cause the swirls were so bad (I used the "microfiber towels from Wally World). After applying the coats of Menzerna and Blackfire, I was hooked. What was even better was that the next morning it rained so when I got home, I washed with Z7 then dried it and it came out exactly as you see it.
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Menzerna Is GREAT!
WOW!!! That Brickyard is fantastic! I have also used Menzerna after putting swirls in my car using a sponge to wash it. I talked to ProperAutoCare.com and they told me what I was doing wrong and causing the swirls. Since I've used the Menzerna (and I also use BlackFire) the car looks GREAT! Black really shows any imperfections, and now it's PERFECT!!!
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Good to see another Tampa Z owner happy with Menzerna. Just an FYI, I am the vice-president fo the 350Z Club of Florida here in Tampa. We'd love to have you come to our meets or events. You can check out our temporary web site at : http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/350zclubofflorida/ . Our club will be getting together this Friday for dinner and then we're all going to Howl O' Scream at Busch Gardens if interested. We currently meet the second Friday of every month at Autoway Nissan.
