http://forums.modulardepot.com/showthread.php?t=74220

example from the modular mustang board. although the variations are much greater with the motors. 2v pi and npi and 4v

 

Yes, it was on a snow tire, but to my defense it was actually a DISADVANTAGE. Look at my **** poor 60' on my 13.6 pass. 2.09. I pulled a couple 2.02s and 2.04s with the stock tires my first time at the track, but I didn't have good shiftpoints and was very new to the car then so my best was a 13.9x. I only went to the track twice and made 7 total passes when I was stock. Obviously the snow tires did NOT give me any advantage. They hooked like crap compared to the 040s.

Basically, I would say that you're not stock if you have something that gives you an ADVANTAGE. I just had a different, skinnier (235 vs 245), crappier tire on my car. To say that's not a valid stock time is the same as telling someone that has a FRAM air filter or oil filter on their car that it's not stock. Or telling someone who has some hawk HPS pads that they weren't stock when they ran down the 1/4.

So how do we really define bone stock if you can't put aftermarket REPLACEMENT parts on your car and still be stock?

If I had a nice set of BFG KDs or Goodyear F1s or Michelin Pilots on my car and pulled some better 60's than I could out of the stock tire...then I'd say that's not a valid stock comparison..but that wasn't the fact of the matter.

 

If we make an exception for you, we'll need to do it for others with only intakes, y-pipes,plenums only, other things etc. Like I said though, as long as we all or Todd who started this thread agree on "stock" its fine by me, it works, we should just add a side note-on snow tires, has K&N, etc etc.....

 

+1. Stock is the way it comes from the factory.

 

stock replacement size, non drag radial or bias ply.

 

That's fine too add a sidenote...but intakes, y-pipes, plenums and things like that ADD POWER. My snow tires were a disadvantage, plain and simple. If I'd run my car more than twice when it was stock I would have easily done better than that on the stock tire, but I didn't have the time or inclination, and now I obviously can't do anything about that.

No one had a problem with me saying I was stock then and I don't see why it would be a problem now.

 

Jackie that could still mean a stock sized tire that is way better than the RE040 for traction like an Eagle F1, so I dont neccessarily agree with that....

Sorry but dropping overall time down the 1/4 is not a disadvantage, maybe in the 60ft slightly but there are many other factors that could have led to you running faster on the snow tire. Regardless, that is a definate factor, and not 100% stock like we agreed to...I know my friends love launching on winter tires for some reason they hook up nicely(regardless of your slightly slower time) who's to say if you went on a cold day on stock RE's you wouldnt have even cut a 2.0X 60ft that day?

edit-not all intakes, or other parts mentioned necessarily add power either (especially with no tune), but again to not mix things up we dont throw those in the mix....

 

I cut BETTER 60's when it's colder out...the track prep out here is awesome...

 

i dont see it being a huge advantage on tires as long as they arent drag radials or bias ply(like a dirt track tire). i have had $250 michelin pilot sports, $80 kumo's, $150BFGs, $110 sumitomos, $140 goodyears, and $60 exocet wynstars, all the same size 245/45/17. I pulled the same 60's on all of them(the actual best was on the $60 exocets, which have also lasted the longest and have the longest treadlife and wear ratings). stock replacement tires arent going to give anyone an advantage, their feel for the car will be the determining factor.

 

Im doing this for everyone here. So if you guys decide that any other tire besides stock is not 100% stock then thats what i will go by. If you decide aslong as its not a DR or a slick then i will go by that.

I can start a poll in the DRAG forum if that is needed.


Im doing this for the community, not myself. SO let me know guys.

Later
Todd

 

If he pulled a better 60 foot on stock tires then he did on the snow it shouldnt matter. and if your goin by "stock" you should include spare tire jack, and tools too then which would disqualify every stock time.

 

I considered that awhile ago. If the classes get too heated it may have to go that way:

2 power adders

1 power adder

all-motor

 

What if I ran better times without a intake than I did with one? Then I should be able to count my times with the intake as stock. Once you begin these types of exceptions, the classes get more ambiguous.

 

My best bone stock time. 13.951@101.10

 

that is a crazy 60 foot time for NA....

 

All I have is some video which shows my ET. It doesn't show the trap speed. Do I need to get my ticket scanned to be verified?

12.431 @ 111.17 mph

http://www.fi-z.com/cajun_12_431@111.wmv

 

I agree with you, David. There might be too many classes. For now, I think it's OK, but in the future we may just want to do an N/A and an F/I class.

Such as the following:

http://www.massdriven.com/forums/sho...96&postcount=1

Also,

Aceman, could you wrap all the ETs/Traps using the [CODE] tags? It really makes things line up nicely!

 

I just tried it, when you add the CODE tag it removes all the colors and does not look very nice and is hard to read.


Later
Todd

 

An intake is MODIFYING the motor to gain HP. I added snow tires so I could actually drive my car in the snow. They are not a performance part or a modification.

 

Yea...he only pulled that 60' ONCE...and never even came close to duplicating it. I don't see how it's possible if we have much more power...full traction still have trouble pulling 60's like that. Ridiculous passes require a backup pass....and he doesn't have one.