bacalhau16

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So this is what you were referring to RB. Thats some pretty funny stuff. Im sure the new G sedan handles well, but at the limit, there is still no question that the Z will outhandle.

Did you look at that picture with the G sedan. I know its an 05 or 06, but look at the body roll. Its rediculous.

M3's around a road course are pretty equally matched, they pull on long straights, but if your a fan of best motoring, that battle between the two has been done a few times.

RBlover69

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yea man, it was nuts, im glad he decided not to post anymore cause his argument was obsurd. I love the Z and the G sedan, but god lets give credit where credits due and not embellish rediculous claims lol. As everyone knows its a tad faster in the straights performance wise , and thats where the performance over the Z ends. Yea i love best motoring brotha, gotta love people that can drive, if it were me i wouldnt believe any other car review until they took the car for a spin at one of there tracks. They are to me the best drivers u can get. If they came out with a mag with reviews my subscription would be the extended kind lmao. Yea the body roll on that is crazy evident, lmao ....as said before brotha the Z is no Gsedan as much as the Gsedan is no Z lmao. Though not feeling a pebble in the road in G sedan does make for better conversation with the fems lmao..instead of being like WHHHHHHHHHAT ?

skaterbasist

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Proof?

Obviously we arent equiped to gather our own information on which car handles better, statistically, but thats one thing vehicle reviewers such as Car and Driver, Motor Trend, and Edmunds are good at.

I usually dont take their "0-60" and "1/4 mile" as proof of a vehicles true performance, although they serve very well for comparison.

Same goes for the Handling department, but once again, they do serve very well for comparison reasons.

You said you wanted proof right?


Motor Trend:

2007 G35 Sedan:

200-ft Skidpad, Lateral G: 0.90 g

Braking, 60-0 mph: 112 ft


Nissan 350z Coupe:

200-ft Skidpad, Lateral G: 0.86 g

Braking, 60-0 mph: 116 ft



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Car & Driver:

2007 G35 sedan:

300-foot diameter skidpad 0.87 g

Braking, 70-0 mph: 160 ft


Nissan 350z Coupe:

300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g

Braking, 70-0 mph: 167 ft


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Modern Racer:

2007 G35 Sedan:

200 ft skidpad : 0.92 g
60-0 braking distance : 117 ft


Nissan 350z Coupe:

200 ft skidpad : 0.89 g

60-0 braking distance : 119 ft


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Edmunds:

2007 G35 sedan:

Skidpad: No Data

600-ft Slalom: 67.1 mph

Braking, 60-0: 112 ft


Nissan 350z Coupe:

Skidpad: No Data

600-ft Slalom: 63.9 mph

Braking, 60-0: 112 ft

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You think im making these numbers up?

Go look for the info yourself:

www.caranddriver.com
www.motortrend.com
www.modernracer.com
www.edmunds.com

You see the thing is, before I talk, I do my research . You should try giving that a shot, it works.

I tried being as consistent as possible with the information, but not all offered information on Slalom tests or Skidpad tests.

What excuse are you gonna use now?

The statistics were "unfair"?

Im comparing apples to apples, in other words, Edmund 07 G35 sedan vs Edmund 350z coupe, Motor Trend 07 G35 sedan vs Motortrend 350z coupe, C&A 07 G35 sedan vs C&A 350z coupe... etc.

We already agreed on the fact the the 07 G35 sedan has a slight advantage in the straight line, but you wont admit the fact that the 07 G35 Sedan handles very good. "Soft and Cushy" as you call it out-handles the 350z Coupe, not by much, but it does.

Ofcourse this might change once the newly redesigned and engineered 350z comes out, but our current argument is between the 03-06 350z and the 07 G35 sedan.

(Both cars are amazing, there's no denying that)

But go ahead... be in denial.

Oh and did I mention, you really should go test drive the 07 G35 Sedan Sport


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skaterbasist

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If you know anything about handling, you know that Slalom Tests, Skidpad Tests, and Braking Tests are some of the factors that define a vehicles handling abilities statistically


Like I said before, Im not here to start any arguments or begin a flame-thread. BUT when I see someone posting ignorant or inaccurate information, I have disagree, and I do by posting it.

I tried stating my thoughts and the facts as nicely as possible, but you came in here acting like a dick; Just had to return the favor


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RBlover69

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Nice mag stats one problem. There not for a 06 track 350z. I check ur stats there for 04s and previous models without the new RE050A tires. This made a hell of a difference as we see the review from VIR. But ur not using those stats are u ? And also u should check ur edmunds review the 1/4 best time achieved was a 13.9 (THE SPORT SEDAN JUST LIKE I TEST DROVE) i mean would u buy anything lesser. Also i should point out that slalom tests are also faster for the Z aswell TRACK EDITION. Half the reviews u posted are base enthusiast Zs no brembros no revup engine . If ur gonna do a mag BS fest do it right brotha. Most importantly u make urself look like once again retarted due to u not fully understanding car dynamics heres one from ur text book skater boy


60mph
This I will give credit also since there posting lower 0-60 times but 0-60 isnt everything but i give it that.
350Z= 5.8
M3 SMGII= 4.9
Z06= 4.5
911 Targa= 5.0
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1/4 Mile
this we can def vouch for the g being faster then the Z marginally although i must say again mag racing sucks. I seen so much better.
350Z= 14.4
M3 SMGII= 13.5
Z06= 12.8
911 Targa= 13.5
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Lap Time
Imagine the 07 g sedan laping the m3 nearly getting the z06
350Z= 1:40:06
M3 SMGII= 1:40:09
Z06= 1:36:50
911 Targa= 1:40:79
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Skidpad
imagine the 07 G beating out a z06 a m3 and a 911 targa
350Z= 0.88g
M3 SMGII= 0.89g
Z06= 0.98g
911 Targa=0.92g
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Slalom
imagine the 07 G with complete domination of the 4
350Z= 67.3 mph
M3 SMGII= 68.8 mph
Z06= 67.6 mph
911 Targa= 65.5 mph
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Braking: 80-0 mph
**** u should buy a G sedan it def brakes better
350Z= 213 ft
M3 SMGII= 213 ft
Z06= 204 ft
911 Targa= 208 ft
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PRICE
I take the Z for best bang for the buck but if i could afford the z06 well u already know
350Z= $34,688
M3 SMGII= $55,695
Z06= $51,450
911 Targa=$84, 975
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this is a 350z 06 track model off of road and track. the one u shold be comparing right since the sports sedan is the highest version of the 07 G right
Sorry brotha, but mag racing sucks. btw. Compare a track 06 brotha the one that took VIR
ur comparos are just compy n pastes of diff models with different years etc. How can that be a proper comparison lmao. U showed ur right clicking abilities yes. The HR is faster in straights yes. Show me the handeling part with the new 06 track. please.

skaterbasist

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About half of the 350z's in the Road tests were 05+... and most of them being track editions.

You just have to search better...

In the part where you stated "imagine the 07 G beating out a z06 a m3 and a 911 targa"... you obviously dont know that each review has different skidpads .

How are you going to compare the Skidpad results of one magazine to the skidpad results of another?

Just incase you havent noticed, I ordered each test by the magazine that performed the tests. I thought it would be easier for you to notice.. obviously not.

I dont know why im still talking to someone with so little knowledge of what they're speaking...

After reading through your posts, I actually feel a bit dumber.

Next time, please compare the handling results by magazines...

skaterbasist

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I'd like to add to this "Brotha"...

Let me see how many errors you made.

First of all, I never use 1/4 miles and 0-60 time to see the full performance of a car... I use it for comparison reasons only.

Second, your skidpad results are from a totally different test... so you could thearetically be comparing a 300 ft diamer result to a 200 ft diameter result. Use common sense.

Third, I mean c'mon, its even in your own post. Your braking performace is of a 80-0 test. Mine are from a 60-0 (and 70-0).

God I feel like if I have a better chance explaining it to a kid than you.

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RBlover69

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No, im showing u the nonesence that is mags . Use actual track stats and reviews are they any track compariosions comparing the 2 directly. Has the 07 G even been out for people to even have a rebuttle to validate even there own 1/4 times at the track but few no. Can anybody say out right that going to a roadcourse in a 07 G sedan that u can own all Zs around the track is that what ur saying. Thats what i want to know .


instead of saying well mag x says this. Lets say u own a 07 g would u say that u can own a track Z in a autox event or the likes of a road course. Simple straight to the point. would u bet ur car on it. I doubt it honeslty so just dont sound so cocky cause what ur trying to prove hasnt been proven . What a waste of time. Statistics from mags are not all skaterboi.

skaterbasist

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Ok, im gonna go totally off-topic, because going through your thick head seems impossible by now.

But assuming your as smart as your posts imply, I can assume your this guy:



Im out this thread.

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RBlover69

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thanks image hosted by tripod learn how to post a image aswell as a rebuttle my friend. And do go test drive the 07 Gsedan. Its a great sports sedan.

davidv

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Thanks for the numbers (especially the skid pad numbers). The 2007 G35 performance sure as hell surprises me. A couple of years from now it will be interesting to see where the SCCA puts the G35 in Solo II racing. The class will be determined by real times with regular drivers. Should be interesting.

kleefton

That is pathetic, what, you're going to go by skidpad numbers and slalom speed to determine which car handles better? Is this the best you've got?

Let's get some lap times for the G35 and 350z on a specific course and see the difference.



The Z can run with M3s, S2000s, Evos, Stis on almost any road course. The G35 sedan is not going to keep up with any of those cars on the twisty stuff. Get over it.

RBlover69

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Assumption is weak cant wait for the vids and where scca puts the new G then he will get his answer . cause there classfication is based on real life stats not biased mags. So well see. Davidv is right based on its classifaction we will see how this acclaimed handling out its. That is our best bet. Then he can open his mouth solo 2 is the best to way to justify its capabilities .

topnotch350z

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My buddy's car is a sedan

Sport 5AT

SergEK

The funny thing about mag boi is he posts random numbers with no direct testing conditions being uniform

same skid pad, same day, same temp etc....

The G sedan is no doubt a great performer but as the current model line up proves the engine may be the same but the Z is still the quicker of the set

Test conditions matter and he doesnt get that --- a uniform test under the same conditions with the same drivers will be a little better but seat time helps and the overall real world results in SCCA will go a long way to showing the Z's strengths with an HR motor under the hood soon (praying)

skaterbasist

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1) The only real way we can judge the G35 Sedan's handling is via reviews. The car is new, so there's no other way to judge it, for now.

2) Correction: The Z can run with S2000's, but their is no way that an M3 can run with an M3, STi, or Evo on the track. That's just a pathetic assumption. Since you dont like looking for information via mag reviews, go look for information on this very own site; There is just no way a Z can outperform an M3, STi, or Evo on the track; most people here know that.


This thread has gone way out of line... to the point where it's not even informative nor funny.

I guess we should stop the whole "Z outhandle's the Sedan" argument until we see the true potential of the Sedan, which will take time.



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RBlover69

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Yea and watch best motoring where the Z actually went back and forth the the e46 m3 and then rethink the m3 thought. LOL . I hope u dont think that the m3 in the battles in the time attack are the E36 bud , not to spark another nonsense debate but the Z has run with the m3 since its debute u realize there in the same catagorey right . It doesnt dominate the e46 of course but it has beat it in time attack aswell as lost in it aswell and in many vids are right behind the E46 with preofessional drivers. The E46 has alot of the hype, no doubt a excellent machine but numbers in road race are not out of reach for a 350z. Lets not get out of context . But it is a superiror machine. But not by a margin that will justify the m3s price tag. But none the less its a m3 lol, the new m3 is suppose to be amazing.

skaterbasist

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Check this thread out:

https://my350z.com/forum/street/242215-stock-m3-vs-stock-350z.html

Most people, if not all, agree on the fact that the current M3 will walk over a Z anytime, anyplace, anywhere. And this is coming from alot of credible and knowledgeable 350z ownes who have experienced it.

Also, check this video out (It's in Japanese so I have no idea what they are saying) :

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...33722506545480


It's Japanese video tracking the current M3, current G35 coupe, and current 350z. You might expect the video to show some biased times to the japanese cars (G35 coupe, 350z), but the video speaks for itself. The M3 just outperforms.

The 350z does not directly compete with the M3, nor is it in its class.

I would agree on the fact that the 350z competes directly with Mustang GT's, S2000's, SRT4's (which in my opinion should compete more with Civics as it is just a turbo'd Dodge Neon), and RX8's... But not an M3.

But atleast we can agree on one thing; Even though I dislike the new looks of the new E90 E91 E92, The next M3 is going to be a beast!

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RBlover69

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Thats one vid, theres another one with the Z33 beating the m3. It is in the same catagorey, race wise its a FR . Even in road race they race against eachother. The m3 is not in a catagorey in its own. And the Zs competetion is not sports compacts. lol Sports cars vrs sports cars FRs vrs FRs. Anything else would be retarted and not comparable. And modded srts put better numbers then M3s lols doesnt mean there in the same catagorey its trans engine design, ....cmon there not going to put a Z against a srt4 or fwd cars against frs.,that would be a massacre. To say a m3s road race numbers are that superior to a Z to jusify the price would be insane since it takes little to make the Z equal or surpass the m3.
heres the oppsite to ur vid where the Z beat the m3

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=350z+m3&hl=en

theres also another vid where the Z beat it out in time attack im gonna have to find it. Beautiful car but , its not a benchmark that everyone thinks . Its a mark nonethe less though and these comparisions wont be comparable when the new one comes out. Because the new one will be insane.

SO you see Frs are competetion for eachother based on power to weight ratio. Or else what the hell is a m3s competetion a 911 turbo lmao. Certinly not lol. Its true and im sure if u watch road race you would see that M3s dont race by themselves or with other 50k+ cars BECAUSE it would get owned, it races with FRs in its range. Nothing is like a m3 but going into the 70k+ range it doesnt stand a chance its a Fr it races frs.Bottom line.

bacalhau16

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Ive seen that video dozens of times, but enjoy it more and more everytime.

Im not sure what you guys are really trying to achieve in this thread anymore. Its clear that there is a true fanboy to the finest with the 07 sedan. We will just have to wait and see what it actually does once consumers get a hold of them and really see what they can do. If they do put out the numbers that skaterbasist says, then good for it. Infiniti would have done a really good job. We will just have to wait and see though.