2007 350z vs 2001-02 vette
09-28-2007, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
Until you can show me an A4 C5 that posts a better time in the 1/4 than 12.6 @111mph, then this list is the best proof that is available. The only A4 in the top 5 is the one with the zip-tie mod and its time is 3 10th's slower than the #1 slot.
You want me to believe your 8 years of experience is greater than a list provided by numerous actual drivers?
You want me to believe your 8 years of experience is greater than a list provided by numerous actual drivers?
09-28-2007, 01:15 PM
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SOLO-350Z, you are failing to consider one important aspect (insofar as the C5's are concerned) in regards as to why the stock MT is faster than the stock AT...
Gearing.
Gearing.
09-28-2007, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
Ignorance is bliss.
Or was that the OJ jury??? Getting me mixed up here.
09-28-2007, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
SOLO-350Z, you are failing to consider one important aspect (insofar as the C5's are concerned) in regards as to why the stock MT is faster than the stock AT...
Gearing.
Gearing.
09-28-2007, 01:22 PM
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Still waiting on proof of a faster A4 car than the fastest M6...
I even posted GMs figures on the LS1 C5 directly from the linked Corvette site. What you want is for me to poll a bunch of people on the internet for a subjective/opinion on which is faster rather than looking at evidence as presented.
I even posted GMs figures on the LS1 C5 directly from the linked Corvette site. What you want is for me to poll a bunch of people on the internet for a subjective/opinion on which is faster rather than looking at evidence as presented.
09-28-2007, 01:30 PM
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How about post a DIRECT test between a AT and MT? There was one done with the Vettes by a magazine, forget which one. But both cars had the same options, and guess what? The AT was the faster car. WOW!
So post a direct test AT vs MT same day, same conditions done by a company like C&D or another magazine. That will prove your point then.
So post a direct test AT vs MT same day, same conditions done by a company like C&D or another magazine. That will prove your point then.
09-28-2007, 01:39 PM
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check out the may 94 issue of motor trend! the 4l60 e was 3 tenths faster than the manual in a 0-60 test. the electronic version of the 4l60 is the one to get. also when drag racing in eliminations it is very consistent .
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09-28-2007, 01:42 PM
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Stock vs Stock is slipping you here...
My 4L60E is Kevlar bands, 2200 stall, manual valve body and shift kit auto would beat an M6 car with equal power...but that is completely irrelevant to what I am saying.
My 4L60E is Kevlar bands, 2200 stall, manual valve body and shift kit auto would beat an M6 car with equal power...but that is completely irrelevant to what I am saying.
09-28-2007, 01:46 PM
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the MotorTrend test was stock vs stock. And the auto won.
Can we agree to disagree? They are both pretty much equal. One is great for drag = auto and one is great for fun and autox/road courses = MT.
One can be made faster with a very good driver (MT) but on rare occasions this happens. The Auto is normally the faster car due no shifting experience is needed.
Can we agree to disagree? They are both pretty much equal. One is great for drag = auto and one is great for fun and autox/road courses = MT.
One can be made faster with a very good driver (MT) but on rare occasions this happens. The Auto is normally the faster car due no shifting experience is needed.
09-28-2007, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
Can we agree to disagree? They are both pretty much equal. One is great for drag = auto and one is great for fun and autox/road courses = MT.
One can be made faster with a very good driver (MT) but on rare occasions this happens. The Auto is normally the faster car due no shifting experience is needed.
One can be made faster with a very good driver (MT) but on rare occasions this happens. The Auto is normally the faster car due no shifting experience is needed.
Oh and just to appease you.....
http://ubb.mfba.org/showthread.php?p=468061#post468061
What you said is accurate... the Auto is only the quicker car when the M6 driver can't drive a car to it's full potential. 99% of the time an A4 will beat the M6 just because of driver error... it doesn't mean it's the faster car, it just means it was faster than that car in that situation.
Not everything you said was off base but you wanting me to prove something to you with opinion is completely off base, but still I did it anyways....
10-01-2007, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
the MotorTrend test was stock vs stock. And the auto won.
Can we agree to disagree? They are both pretty much equal. One is great for drag = auto and one is great for fun and autox/road courses = MT.
One can be made faster with a very good driver (MT) but on rare occasions this happens. The Auto is normally the faster car due no shifting experience is needed.
Can we agree to disagree? They are both pretty much equal. One is great for drag = auto and one is great for fun and autox/road courses = MT.
One can be made faster with a very good driver (MT) but on rare occasions this happens. The Auto is normally the faster car due no shifting experience is needed.
Now after modding the AT starts to take the advantage because a human is only capable of shifting gears so fast (fastest is like .7 secs or something, not to mention any error that might occur), and a machine can shift much faster. The MT can still put more power on the road, but it loses time in the shifting.
10-01-2007, 12:13 PM
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I was die-hard chevy for years. I've owned 3 camaros and been running at the track since 99'. Everyone knows that stock vs. stock, a MT is mechanically capable of being faster than a AT. You even admitted that in your last post that I quoted. "The Auto is normally the faster car due no shifting experience is needed." That's attributed human error/limitations, not mechanical certainty. So with great drivers in both cars the MT is going to have a lower 1/4 time and higher MPH than the AT.
Now after modding the AT starts to take the advantage because a human is only capable of shifting gears so fast (fastest is like .7 secs or something, not to mention any error that might occur), and a machine can shift much faster. The MT can still put more power on the road, but it loses time in the shifting.
Now after modding the AT starts to take the advantage because a human is only capable of shifting gears so fast (fastest is like .7 secs or something, not to mention any error that might occur), and a machine can shift much faster. The MT can still put more power on the road, but it loses time in the shifting.
So its basically a toss up.
10-01-2007, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
Second, they are "opinions". Not facts.
As I already said, the only reason an auto "can" be faster is because of the shifting delay. But with cars that run in the 12's and 13's, the shifting delay is not great enough for a good driver to overcome the difference in power being put to the road (he can do better with a MT). If you're running 9's and 10's then yeah, the AT is going to win because the shifting delay is having a greater impact on the overall time the car runs. If you're too hard-headed to comprehend this, then I feel for you. But I'm done. I look forward to running into you at the track.
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