And the average GT driver won't pull mid 13's... so it's still a drivers race. Yeah, modded the GT will win for cheaper. But that wasn't the discussion.

 

modded gt's may be faster than modded HRs, but they are still ugly and they feel like pigs when it comes to handling. Ill still take my Z over a mustang anyday.

 

+1

I could've bought a Cobra for the price of my Z.

 

You should come out ahead, even most mustang guys agree.....


http://svtperformance.com/forums/sho...highlight=350z

 

I raced one with my 05 Z and I got raped. That thing launches like a beast. He beat me by 8 mph on 1/8 mile but on 1/4 beat me by 5 mph. So I guess our top end is better.

 

Probably wasn't stock...

 

What was your time?

 

Cecil County Dragway, Rising Sun, MD 06/2006




The S197 Mustang in the right lane runs 13.81 seconds. I talk with the other racers, but don't ask “Is your car stock?” Whether the car is stock or modified means little to me. The Mustang driver ran 13.87 on a 13.80 dial-in for a win.


I was running 13.78 that day. Had I lined up with the Mustang I would have spotted him 2/100 seconds. This looks like a reaction time race to me.

 

Dont forget in the spring, you have to educate me on bracket racing a bit more. I think I may start competing sometime in April or May depending on how consistent I can get my times between now and then.

 

You can argue all you want, but you cannot deny facts. The HR Z has a few tenths of an edge and it's not from the launch since the s197 is capable of lower 60' times than the Z while stock. That means that after the launch the HR Z walks the s197 the rest of the race, even to the governor (especially since they are governed to around 143 mph from what friends have told me). There is no overcoming that power without some kind of major error by the Z driver, walking is walking (I even missed third gear in my HR Z once and still ran a 13.8). If it's crappy track conditions then the Mustang is going to be racing in those very same conditions.

Edit: Slip from the time I missed 3rd gear:

60' ... 2.082
330 ... 5.737
1/8 ... 8.889 (missed third right before the 1/8, it shows bigtime)
mph ... 76.31
1000 ... 11.598
1/4 ... 13.837
mph ... 100.85

Edit: I'd also like to add that this is a comparison between MT's not AT's also it's HR's not DE's. Auto's have always been slower stock cars due to the higher % drivetrain loss, and different cars have different % losses. Judging from your posts with the Mustang running brackets I know it is an Auto. I'm also assuming that your car is too. Most MT guys don't do bracket racing because Auto's repeatedly launch/run the same times much easier and can get better reaction times repeatedly and that's all it takes to win. MT's are much harder to repeat time after time, but they put more power to the road and therefore run faster times.

 

i bracket my 6-spd...

 

and that proves what exactly? i didn't say that no MT guys do bracket. I said most are auto. Most = not all...

 

actually davidv has a MT and is pretty consistent on all his runs. Its good to run consistent times but if you can run consistent times with consistent r/t then youre a great driver.

 

That's what makes it so hard. Auto guys use a stall and get within .015 repeatablility with ease on their r/t. with a MT you aren't going to be able to repeat that well everytime. It just isn't possible. You might be able to for a night, but not several in a row.

Then there's the launch. The autos go to a pre-set rev and stay exactly on it until they launch, then they always launch the same way and with very good repeatability. With a MT you might be able to keep your rev exactly where you want it, but then you also have to feather the clutch exactly the same while still trying to cut that perfect r/t. Talk about multi-tasking... If davidv runs brackets in a MT and has taken 1st place in a few bracket races, then he's damn good. But most guys use auto's, as I already said, and it's no wonder why. All they do is push and release a button...

 

EDIT: Never mind. I see that you do not drive a 350Z or G35.

 

Youll actually be very surprised how many manual trans guys do bracket racing. my friend does it all the time in his 6speed maxima and won some trophies before.

 

sorry, just guess i can usually tell what 60's out cars pull for certain et's. and plenty of people have pulled low 1.8s on stock mustang tires so 1.7s are just an awesome track prep away


i stated the car wasnt stock but had MINIMAL mods as in a tune and cai.

if you want to see how lacking my experience is, race my mustang

 

Once again, that is not stock... MINIMAL mods on a mustang is a LOT different than MINIMAL mods on a Z since the Z is already setup in a closer to perfect condition from factory. Show me a stock Mustang that beats our top Z times... it shouldn't be too hard since you seem to think it's a faster STOCK car.

I'll be happy to race you. You're in Orlando which is only about 2 hours from me. Unlike some people I don't care if I win or lose, that's not why I race.

 

i dont believe i said they were faster stock, just stating that if you tune them to run on 93 octane(like the z does) the cars potential is shown in "stockish" form.

 

Are you saying that the Z is tuned to run on 93 octane? If so, then you're dead wrong. It's tuned for 91 octane.

What a HR Z tuned for 93 octane can run hasn't been proven yet since nobody has ran a HR Z with a 93 octane reflash yet, so you can't assume that a GT Mustang tuned for 93 is going to beat it with equal drivers. With just a reflash it's entirely possible that a HR Z "might" be capable of a 12.7 with NO mods. The only way to know is to actually start running some.

This thread was about a guy in a stock HR Z racing a stock GT S197. How is any of this hypothetical bs relevant to the OP's post? He didn't ask what any car's potential was. He asked how his stock HR Z would do against this stock Mustang.

To answer the OP's question yet again: If you can drive the GT doesn't stand a chance. If you can't drive then you better hope he can't either. Equal drivers = Z every time by a couple of tenths.