I've only been to the track with my Z once so far and I ran the time in my sig. I know I will improve on it the next time I visit. My 60' has room for improvement of at least .1 minimum, which should give me another .2 off my 1/4. I don't know what the DA was the day I tracked my car. I was only concerned with getting a feel for it at the track that day. But I know it was around 70 degrees and it's Florida so the humidity is always high.

I only used Veetec because he has the best time so far, and we were looking for the best GT time. The best GT is going to be run by a great driver too. So best vs. best is the only way to go. It wouldn't be fair to compare a great driver to a driver who's not bad or average, would it? The "average" GT seems to run mid to high 13's. I've seen a few GT's in the 13.5's, but most are 13.8+ and the only GT I've seen faster to date is the one who ran a 13.272 posted in this thread, and this driver was about equal with Veetec. Also, Veetec is not the only driver to get a faster time than this. Look at Peak350.

It's proven that the Z is a faster stock car. Now it all rests with the driver to push the car to it's potential. The driver has always been a factor with any car.

Is there some reason you seem to be biased towards the Mustang? Your statement also applies to Mustangs (and every other car in the world) but you only want to point the finger at the Z.



Edit: I also just read that the S197 Mustang's come with either 3.31 or 3.55 gears stock. I was not aware of this before. This will make a difference in the time they run. My assumption is that the car stated in this thread had 3.55 gears. But it is something that should be noted when comparing timeslips.

 

2005 and 2006 Manuals:3.55 and autos: 3.31...2007-2008 all are 3.31

 

Its a 13.2 car if you can drive it to that is another question.

I've so far only seen 3 guys with 07's show they can.

2007 Z probably will, but that still only makes 4 of us.

Its "easy," but it takes practice. the average guy running a Mustang on the street isn't going to be running a 13.2 If I could get a 13.8 on the street I'd be surprised, so all things considered, look at it objectively as a trap speed race, the Z wins.

 

If you look at the drag section you can see that the 4 guys runnin 13.3 or faster times goto the track almost every other week or so.
If you guys take that to account the other Z's I see at thet rack run low 14's most of the time but I wouldnt consider the older Z's to be low 14sec cars.

My point, Why bother arguing about this anyway? To the OP: what times have you run in y our car? Those arguing: What times have you run with your car?

 

Side note you can order mustangs with high gear ratios from the factory if you want. Its actually in there when you pick out options for a new car. I believe you can get a 4.1 final drive installed from the factory. Which would make it stock.

 

I prefer trap speed racing... ha ha... (Sorry if you guys don't get it I am honestly dissapointed in my ET/60fts... the only thing I really have going for me is trap speed)

 

The stock GT's biggest enemy is wheel hop. a couple cheap mods to the rear end, and some bolt ons and they can run mid-upper 12s... otherwise don't expect much faster than 13.5 out of a stock GT, if you can find one. It's not likely you'll find any stock GT"s at the track...

 

I can almost say for a fact if you're a half decent driver in an '07+ Z you shouldn't have much of a problem with a stock '05+ GT. Reason why I say this is because I have a lightly modded LS1 GTO A4 and last time I ran into VeeTec a few weeks ago he was slowly inching away from me on top end at Carolina Dragway.

This past Thursday at Carolina Dragway I raced a stock '05+ GT and I was pulling away from him so yall get the picture.

 

hahah, when i first bought my 01 gt vert with only flowmasters i inched away from a 2002 ss camaro....what im getting at is just because you were racing one guy in a mustang doesnt mean anything other than you raced ONE guy in a mustang(who could even have had mods). Also add to that, you raced veetec which is a well above avg driver of a z

 

Funny I also had a '02 Mustang GT vert. With my GTO auto I've raced VeeTec on numerous occasions and I raced this '05+ mustang gt 5spd this past Thursday at least 7-8 times because it was towards the end of the night and there weren't many cars lining up to race. I talked to this guy. His mustang gt was stock and everytime we raced if I could hold my car straight on the 1-2 shift I pulled away from him no problem.

When I raced VeeTec a few weeks ago in similar weather conditions he pulled away from me on the second half of the track. I also raced another stock '07 Z that night and I beat him but when looking in my rear view mirror I could see him slowly inching back up. I would call him the "average" driver you would run into because he didn't run as good as VeeTec but he still was in the mid 13's.

Stock for stock the '07 350Z pulls stronger than the '05 Mustang GT period.

 

I think that has been proven through the timeslips anyway. The Mustang is obviously capable of cutting a lower 60' by as much as .1 or so (looking at low 1.8's). So the Mustang is almost always going to jump out in front of the HR Z on the launch with equal drivers.

But, the 1/4 mile times for the GT are still slower even with a better launch. Which means that even though it jumps out on the HR Z, the HR Z is going to run it down and pass it. So the HR Z does in fact pull on the GT after the launch.

On the street... forget it. The Mustang and the HR Z alike are not going to be getting traction like at the track. So the Mustang will be losing the only real advantage it has.

(This is all stock vs. stock and MT vs. MT)

 

i wonder what a good driver in a stock bullitt will do. my buddy just bought one, maybe i can get him to go and make some passes in it someday.

 

One thing for sure is the 325 hp Shelby GT-H is decently faster than the 300 hp GT. This past Thursday I also raced a stock one twice and if it wasn't for lack of traction he might've beat me. I beat him both times pretty easily but he said he was pulling on me once he got traction. I'd say the Shelby GT-H is on the same level as a stock '03-04 Mach 1 5spd which is capable of low 13's trapping at 105+ stock.

 

great tread

 

The bullitt's CAI is a little different than the SGT's and GT-H's, but all are similar in design. Essentially, you could bump the Bullitt's and SGT's hp to 325 with a proper tune. I guess the bullitt's run a little rich from the factory in the first place and there is a slight hp loss with 3.73 gears compared to the GT-h's 3.55s... I would say that the bullitt was actually underrated to stay under shelby's hp, but they are probably close to the same according to recent dynos.

Either way, if you meet any of the three, it would be a good race.

You guys have some nice cars on here.

 

Hey guys, I just thought I would add this since a member at the Mustang forums threw this link out in a thread:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-350Z...lip-14608.html

Yeah, it made me laugh too. But someone replied with this:
http://www.dragtimes.com/Nissan-350Z...lip-13384.html

Then I decided to browse around and I found the list of every stock Mustang listed on their site from 2005 and newer. Here's the link:
Top Stock 1/4 Mile Times For All 2005+ Mustangs

The top GT time listed is 13.610 @ 99.92 and there's not even a complete slip listed. I know that this list doesn't prove that a Mustang can't be closer than this while stock. But it's a few more points for the Z in my opinion.

13.613@102.950 /w 2.060 60' is the top time listed with a complete slip. From the 60' you can see room for improvement. I can still see 13.2's with a 1.8 60', which is about what the other time linked to in this thread shows. (It was also a 2007 GT)

 

I can almost guarantee that a stock GT has ran quicker than that. I've seen Muscle mustangs:fast fords, and other mustang publications running stock gt's with a better time than that. I'll be looking, but I'm sure there are stock times posted somewhere, just probably not on our site. I would say that most timeslips are in individual member's galleries... which complicates things. I don't see a stock gt breaking into 13.2 anywhere, but probably 13.3-13.4.

13.2 is Bullitt and Shelby GT territory.

This thread backs that up...
http://www.moddedmustangs.com/forums...-1-4-mile.html
I'm sure they have timeslips somewhere.

 

I CAN guarantee that a GT Mustang will run faster than that. Look at the 60'. But we've yet to be linked to a timeslip to back it up. If you back-read you'll find a link to a thread where someone claims to have run a 13.272@104.03 with a 1.894 60' at -322 DA. That's the fastest I've even heard of through rumor, but still a tad slower than our top 2 "confirmed" Z runs and with a lower 60'.

http://www.mustangforums.com/m_45296...tm.htm#4529673

I accepted it as proof, but the member there still hasn't posted the timeslip of the run yet and it's been a few weeks since he started the thread.

 

Me and my cousin were both looking to get new cars. I wanted a Z (already own an 07 GT) he did too but decided to get an '06 Manual GT instead. Was about 1.5K cheaper than my Z. We had exactly the same amount of money to spend, he spend what he had left on; Brenspeed CAI + Tune (used), Offroad H-pipe and Hurst Short Throw shifter.

Hands me my *** everytime now, G-tech'd (on an average) at 12.9 on 1/4mile, given the error margin of about .2 seconds. It's atleast 13.flat

WITH MY 20" inch boat anchors on my GT and 3.31 Automatic gear ratio, i manage to average 14.1. The Majority of stock GT's i know (Active member of www.mustangforums.com) ran an AVERAGE of 13.7.

With only .2 seconds difference between the AVERAGE HR (13.5) and AVERAGE GT (13.7), and the GT being a hell of lot easier to launch, IMO It's definatly a drivers race. (NO edge to the Z)

Now if you'd like something in the 07+ 350Z priceclass, try taking on a Shelby GT (basically GT + Intake/tune/bodykit, which i think is still cheaper than an 07+ Z) or Saleen 3V (NON S/C).

 

You can get 07 Z's for under 27k now.