doesnt stand a chance? hahahahah you are hilarious

 

Then prove me wrong, I'm still waiting for something other than hot air from you...

 

honestly i dont care to prove anything and dont really care either way. both cars are mostly mid to high 13 sec rides stock give or take a couple of tenths. so you throw in the variable of drivers, then the variable of what weather each car likes better and then you say the z has the distinct advantage.

that is just RETARDED. I dont care to argue about it, because whatever the case they are both SLOW IMO.

 

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. BTW, what do you consider to be fast then? What do you drive and what kind of times does it run? For the price of my Z I could have a LS1 running 8's or better, but that's not what I wanted...

I didn't just SAY it was faster, I provided links to timeslips. If the stock S197 GT Mustang was capable of a low 13 sec 1/4, you would think that someone could link to at least ONE timeslip. The cars have been out for years, after all. With our very small and limited Z racers here at our forum and with an HR motor that has been out for only 13 months we have shown 2 timeslips in the low 13's and a few more in the mid 13's.

If you don't care then why do you keep trying to defend the Mustang? LOL. Just post a link to a stock low 13 second timeslip and I'll stand corrected. Am I asking too much? Wouldn't the Mustang guys require a timeslip if I said my Z ran a 13.0? Heck, they don't even believe it will run a 13.8 w/o a s/c...

 

If you don't care, then STFU. I am sick of seeing you attacking him with nothing being backed up. The Z is tuned for 91 octane, not 93. If it was tuned for 93 it would probably get a little better times.

The GT and Z are very closely matched, with the 07 Z being at least .4-.6 quicker stock in the 1/4.

 

I really don't think you are in your right mind comparing an after market tune with a factory tune. Maybe the fact that certain cars require premium from the factory to prevent detonation due to high static/dynamic CR escaped you?

 

This is a very good point..I've been told by several reputable people that Evan smith ran 13.3 yet I have been unable to unearth the information. I contacted the publisher and still wasn't able to locate the article!

As far as a low 13 second pass this is all I can offer....
http://www.mustangforums.com/m_45296...tm.htm#4529673

Gene K who is a well respected poster and pretty straight shooter has the slips..
DA -322
1.894
8.527 @ 81.69
13.272 @ 104.03

 

whoa ladies its ok no need to cry. didnt know you all lived in a stock world of car enthusiasts, and .1-.2 of et is a sure thing victory 100% of the time.

 

Wow, now jackie is starting crap about the 07 HR boys and the GT stang in another thread.

https://my350z.com/forum/showthread....76#post5183276

You really need the ban hammer.

 

back tracking much?

what is with this? last hting someone asked is for you to provide proof of your arguement.

 

ok baby, ban?

 

Show proof little John. We are still waiting.

 

please let me know what you are referring too. Maybe the way i articulated my thoughts appears that way to you, but im am not aware of that post. I never said anything other than cars within a certain et are not locks to win either way, so where is the back tracking?

 

proof of what? that the cars run within .1 or .2 of eachother stock for stock? i personally feel that is a given and dont need to reaffirm it with internet research, you can if you wish.


ive had these arguments before, who really cares? I would think anyone that drag racers with proper timing equipment would agree that the difference in et is not enough to make these cars blow eachother away.

 

Who cares, both of these cars were built for 2 different reasons. Pustangs I mean mustangs were built to go straight and Z's were built for track. Both cars have thier advantages and disadvantages.

 

I'll accept that. It's lower than I thought was possible in a stock GT Mustang but it seems to be coming from a reputable member there. He stated it was a used Mustang with 22k miles on it, so I do wonder if it's possible that it's not completely stock or not, but I can't prove it either way. It could possibly have been retuned, that would be hard to tell unless you know the stock car extremely well. But I'm not going to start an argument about something that I couldn't possibly know or prove. I just wanted to make that statement so it could be said for the record.

Now with that aside, The time still shows that a stock HR Z is faster with a higher 60'. It's not by much, but it's still there. .1 in the end is about a car length. So the Mustang's front-end would've been about even with Veetec's rear-end on his best run, but would've jumped out in front of him at the start. Veetec's 60' was about .1 slower than this Mustang's. Assuming Veetec was running side-by-side with this Mustang and cut the exact same 60', Then he would have been at about 13.000 give or take a few hundredths since .1 in the 60' is .2 in the 1/4 and he ran a 13.198. That's also assuming he ran that PB in a similar DA, which I think he did (correct me if I'm wrong).

Also, judging from the other times posted, I can tell that this was not a novice driver by any means. So this is very likely one of the very best times we will ever see from a stock Mustang. On one run he even cut a 1.84 60', which is amazing on stock tires, but it wasn't his PB. I think the best I ever got in my Camaros on stock radials was a 1.85x and I ran those cars religiously (well over 300+ runs). I could cut 1.870-1.890 fairly well though.

Thanks for the post. Even with that slip being that low, it still shows that the Z is faster. BTW, Jackie, I never said that it wasn't a driver's race. If you go back and read my posts you will see that I specifically said that it is a driver's race. When is the driver never a factor in ANY race? (that's rhetorical)

 

I had my own doubts... but as you said he is a pretty stand up member and tuned S197 cars tend to trap a few mph higher than that (still hard to know for sure)

The guy in question is an amazing driver.. .there is no doubt about that. The 350Z has still gone quicker and trapped higher..I still retain that driver to driver the 07+ 350Z has it but a nose... (at higher speeds its no contest)

 

I wouldnt sleep on a stock GT. Ive seen them hit low 13's easily and high 12's with DR's
What do you guys run in your HR? Please dont post what VeeTec has run because honestly not everyoen drives like him. Im willin to bet there are far more 13.5+ HR Z's than low 13's.

 

Do I have permission to talk smack

 

I see more than enough 13.2s to say the car is a 13.2 car easily.