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Old Feb 23, 2008 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by gsingh350Z
I found out that the 135i's have the same engines in the 335i's which is a dual turbo'd inline 6.

IMO, the 135i does not look bad. It seems pretty fast too. I wonder how much they cost out the door...
40 grand+. Dig into those pockets deeeeppp.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 09:17 AM
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135 is based on the E46 compact chassis. Its basically an E46 with a slightly shorter wheelbase and a redesigned rear suspension setup.

The E46 compact was garbage, BMW wanted to separate the 3-series some in Europe, designed the 1 series as basically a better looking E46 compact that had better rear suspension. Now they are cramming a lot of power in and selling it for a huge profit.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 02:50 PM
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The guys name is Terry and he made a couple of "chips" for the 335 that are very cheap and work great.

At the time of the run his car was making around 400whp/400wtq with only $1500 in mods, race gas and Drag Radials. Very simple setup and very impressive run.

There were 2 other similar 335's there with $1000 worth of mods and they ran 12.2 and 12.4.

My car should be worth around 12.5 @ 113 mph on pump gas.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:11 PM
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I hope some 350Zs make it to Bakersfield next weekend. I ran a 12.26 with only high octane pump gas, Juicebox tune, and DRs. Otherwise the car is stock, right down to the exhaust, air filter, downpipes, and front Runflats/wheels (55lbs each). I am going back next weekend to try and get a better time.

And by the way, the 335i doesn't handle too bad either. I had a couple of bikes challenge me through the canyons. (CBR600/GSXR1000), both guys have track experience and know these roads like the back of their hands. My 335i sedan is an automatic, gets 28mpg on the fwy, is quiet, and rides great. Drag strip, Canyon Carving, Of Fwy Cruising, its a great all around car!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOI_mEC-YP8

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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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The 335I is very impressive for the money. I was looking at a few a couple of months back and they are going for 45-48K USED (this is with 10-15k miles )
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kleefton
oh...and the 135i can go to hell. It's ugly as sin and is really not that much lighter. If it weighed 2900-3100lbs it would be something special. But the fact that little ugly POS weighs 3300lbs just makes me shake my head.
How much does your Z weigh?
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by hotrod182
And by the way, the 335i doesn't handle too bad either. I had a couple of bikes challenge me through the canyons. (CBR600/GSXR1000), both guys have track experience and know these roads like the back of their hands. My 335i sedan is an automatic, gets 28mpg on the fwy, is quiet, and rides great. Drag strip, Canyon Carving, Of Fwy Cruising, its a great all around car!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOI_mEC-YP8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mGW0S2TMYI
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BMWs can certainly handle, I don't think there's a question about that. About the canyons, everyone wants to go fast, but the truth is that we're not at the limits of these cars unless you're really driving crazy. While driving a stock 5 series through the canyons, I can keep up with track ready EVOs/STis, porsches and exotics, but my car leaves much on the table in terms of driver feedback and is sadly not as fun to drive.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Peak350
135 is based on the E46 compact chassis. Its basically an E46 with a slightly shorter wheelbase and a redesigned rear suspension setup.

The E46 compact was garbage, BMW wanted to separate the 3-series some in Europe, designed the 1 series as basically a better looking E46 compact that had better rear suspension. Now they are cramming a lot of power in and selling it for a huge profit.
Actually, you're wrong. Do a search on the e90post and you'll find out that was a early misconception about the 1 series. The 1series is actually its own chassis, with its own chassis code too. E8x's. They have 5 link rear suspension like on the e90's. Car and driver created that misconception early on before the 1series were even out yet.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hotrod182
I hope some 350Zs make it to Bakersfield next weekend. I ran a 12.26 with only high octane pump gas, Juicebox tune, and DRs. Otherwise the car is stock, right down to the exhaust, air filter, downpipes, and front Runflats/wheels (55lbs each). I am going back next weekend to try and get a better time.

And by the way, the 335i doesn't handle too bad either. I had a couple of bikes challenge me through the canyons. (CBR600/GSXR1000), both guys have track experience and know these roads like the back of their hands. My 335i sedan is an automatic, gets 28mpg on the fwy, is quiet, and rides great. Drag strip, Canyon Carving, Of Fwy Cruising, its a great all around car!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOI_mEC-YP8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mGW0S2TMYI
guy in the back is scared of his bike.. his rear end is dancing too much.. he isn't smooth
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Originally Posted by doug
guy in the back is scared of his bike.. his rear end is dancing too much.. he isn't smooth
Ya I was going to say the same. Those guys weren't going that fast. If those guys were really damn good, they would've left a car in the dust. But 335s to drive nice. I had a e46, and although im biased and think the E46 is a more nimble car, the 335 drives better than most 3500lb cars i've driven... Oh how I miss my bmw.
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by itsjiggajames
Ya I was going to say the same. Those guys weren't going that fast. If those guys were really damn good, they would've left a car in the dust.
i figured they were riding semi slow so they could still be filmed.. i know when i am riding with my boys.. i hang back even though i can pass them because i am the camera bike
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
i figured they were riding semi slow so they could still be filmed.. i know when i am riding with my boys.. i hang back even though i can pass them because i am the camera bike
Ya and some of those transitions don't really favor the bikes. Like the sudden short bumps that are S turns, **** like that. Got to change the lean a lot. Those bikes were taking it easy IMO.. but hey what do i know..
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Old Feb 24, 2008 | 08:08 PM
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Hey, I get a chance to use my old account here Someone posted this over on a BMW tuning site. I sure miss my 350, but enjoying the 335. The mod potential is big, and like others have said, it's so cheap and easy to do. It's the beauty of all factory turbo cars, bolt on mods for the win.

Oh, and like others said, it was an auto. The auto in the E9x 3 series is amazing.
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by itsjiggajames
Ya and some of those transitions don't really favor the bikes. Like the sudden short bumps that are S turns, **** like that. Got to change the lean a lot. Those bikes were taking it easy IMO.. but hey what do i know..
Actually, they said the same thing about my other videos. "There is no way you could keep up with a bike, those guys are slow. Why don't you try and see if you can keep up with us?". Remember, it looks a lot slower on video than you are actually going. They guy on the 600 races competitively at willow springs, and practices on the one canyon road almost once a week. The guy on the 07 GSXR is very fast on his supermoto. To bad I didn't get video of the guy on the 1000 doing a wheel stand at 70mph+ while moving over and passing the 600 on the straight away. You can tell the 1000 is on the throttle by how he starts breaking the tire loose at times. And I did the same thing to a 07 R1, surprised him for sure. It is very rare that I come upon a bike rider faster than these two guys. If you want to try on your 07 GXSR let me know, I will video you so you can see. In fact, those other two guys would love to run you through the canyons too. (Or the track).
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by hotrod182
Actually, they said the same thing about my other videos. "There is no way you could keep up with a bike, those guys are slow. Why don't you try and see if you can keep up with us?". Remember, it looks a lot slower on video than you are actually going. They guy on the 600 races competitively at willow springs, and practices on the one canyon road almost once a week. The guy on the 07 GSXR is very fast on his supermoto. To bad I didn't get video of the guy on the 1000 doing a wheel stand at 70mph+ while moving over and passing the 600 on the straight away. You can tell the 1000 is on the throttle by how he starts breaking the tire loose at times. And I did the same thing to a 07 R1, surprised him for sure. It is very rare that I come upon a bike rider faster than these two guys. If you want to try on your 07 GXSR let me know, I will video you so you can see. In fact, those other two guys would love to run you through the canyons too. (Or the track).
It's funny, but I was one of the guys defending the video when he first posted it. I've ridden a lot of bikes, on the street, track, and at the strip. Here are the common misconceptions:

1) Bikes outbrake cars. This one is not really even up for debate. Chances are, your modern family sedan outbrakes the best sportbike 95% of the time. In a car, you can get on the brakes instantly and without modulation thanks to ABS. On a bike, you have to be progressive and you are limited by the rear wheel coming off the ground. Braking from 60 to 0 is going to be different every time on a bike, whereas a car can do the same distance consistently. The best bikes are around 130-135 feet from 60 and both the 350z and 335i are around 110 feet.

2) Bikes outhandle cars. This one varies a lot, but for the most part (especially on the street), a good car is going to be very competitive or faster in the turns. Throwing out the fact that bikes have to be more careful, and surfaces have to be taken into consideration because your life is literally on the line. So lets assume the rider has a total death wish. Even then car corner speeds will be the same or faster as you move up to a car that can handle 1g in the turns. Go faster, and cars can get bigger advantages due to aerodynamics.

3) Acceleration. I am not saying braking and cornering are bad on bikes, but this is where they shine. The power to weight ratios are just nuts. That said, given a tight course and a good powerful sports car, a car can definitely hold it's own. The car can make up some time on the brakes and in the turns, especially on the street. Get into some truly crazy sports cars and bikes don't really stand a chance except in a straight line. You can't really get a more expensive bike and hope to get more either is the problem. Bikes are tired into some basic physics. Braking, turning, and acceleration are all limited by the bike wanting to flip over forwards, backwards, and lose grip in a turn. The only way you can really get more performance is at higher speeds where the extra power helps you overcome aerodynamic shortcomings (did I mention bikes are horribly unaerodynamic, another misconception?)

That's my lesson for the day

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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:17 AM
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135is aren't that bad looking!
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 07:26 AM
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135i looks good to me
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Rob Nance
It's funny, but I was one of the guys defending the video when he first posted it. I've ridden a lot of bikes, on the street, track, and at the strip. Here are the common misconceptions:

1) Bikes outbrake cars. This one is not really even up for debate. Chances are, your modern family sedan outbrakes the best sportbike 95% of the time. In a car, you can get on the brakes instantly and without modulation thanks to ABS. On a bike, you have to be progressive and you are limited by the rear wheel coming off the ground. Braking from 60 to 0 is going to be different every time on a bike, whereas a car can do the same distance consistently. The best bikes are around 130-135 feet from 60 and both the 350z and 335i are around 110 feet.

2) Bikes outhandle cars. This one varies a lot, but for the most part (especially on the street), a good car is going to be very competitive or faster in the turns. Throwing out the fact that bikes have to be more careful, and surfaces have to be taken into consideration because your life is literally on the line. So lets assume the rider has a total death wish. Even then car corner speeds will be the same or faster as you move up to a car that can handle 1g in the turns. Go faster, and cars can get bigger advantages due to aerodynamics.

3) Acceleration. I am not saying braking and cornering are bad on bikes, but this is where they shine. The power to weight ratios are just nuts. That said, given a tight course and a good powerful sports car, a car can definitely hold it's own. The car can make up some time on the brakes and in the turns, especially on the street. Get into some truly crazy sports cars and bikes don't really stand a chance except in a straight line. You can't really get a more expensive bike and hope to get more either is the problem. Bikes are tired into some basic physics. Braking, turning, and acceleration are all limited by the bike wanting to flip over forwards, backwards, and lose grip in a turn. The only way you can really get more performance is at higher speeds where the extra power helps you overcome aerodynamic shortcomings (did I mention bikes are horribly unaerodynamic, another misconception?)

That's my lesson for the day
remember the test they did back in 97 in one of the motorcycle mags with the yzf1000 vs the blue gts viper? that was a good one
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Old Feb 25, 2008 | 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by jackie chan
remember the test they did back in 97 in one of the motorcycle mags with the yzf1000 vs the blue gts viper? that was a good one
I remember it very well, because it was the year I bought my first bike, a 97 CBR 600 F3. I think it was Car & Driver. There have been a lot of those tests over the years, but I still remember it well. 0-100-0 tests are always going to be very hard for a car to compete with bikes because bikes aren't bad by any means on the brakes, and the distance is not as big of a concern so much as the time. A better test would 0-60, 60-0, and time through a slalom. Add up all the distances, weight them with the time, and then come up with a score. I think you'd see a much different result.
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Originally Posted by hotrod182
Actually, they said the same thing about my other videos. "There is no way you could keep up with a bike, those guys are slow. Why don't you try and see if you can keep up with us?". Remember, it looks a lot slower on video than you are actually going. They guy on the 600 races competitively at willow springs, and practices on the one canyon road almost once a week. The guy on the 07 GSXR is very fast on his supermoto. To bad I didn't get video of the guy on the 1000 doing a wheel stand at 70mph+ while moving over and passing the 600 on the straight away. You can tell the 1000 is on the throttle by how he starts breaking the tire loose at times. And I did the same thing to a 07 R1, surprised him for sure. It is very rare that I come upon a bike rider faster than these two guys. If you want to try on your 07 GXSR let me know, I will video you so you can see. In fact, those other two guys would love to run you through the canyons too. (Or the track).
I would LOVE to take your challenge if you can make it out to CT.. or if you can find someone with a 335 in CT or NY who would love to try me on the merrit parkway..

oh BTW.. wheelies are not impressive to true riders.. wheelies are impressive to SQUIDS.. incase you don't know.. SQUIDS are the Ricers of the bike world
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