View Poll Results: Should I explain how the DPS system works?
Yes, I wanna know if this is worth it.
104
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No, Don't risk it man, it's not worth getting sued over.
6
4.23%
Who gives a crap, I wasn't gonna buy it anyways.
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Final report on my testing of the Direct Power System
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This thread is one of the reasons that the Internet is a good idea.
My friend and I were looking at this thing, and mocking it the other day.
Our conversation became:
"Do you think it could do something? I mean, at least something benign, maybe give your car higher resistance to a HERF gun, something?"
"You're the EE."
From their description, I was actually assuming it was a big capacitor! That would jive with their "Smooths out power fluctuations" claim (but still wouldn't improve your car worth squat).
Good to know it's just a highly obfuscated chunk of snake oil.
Seriously, great work.
I love it when the scientific method wins.
My friend and I were looking at this thing, and mocking it the other day.
Our conversation became:
"Do you think it could do something? I mean, at least something benign, maybe give your car higher resistance to a HERF gun, something?"
"You're the EE."
From their description, I was actually assuming it was a big capacitor! That would jive with their "Smooths out power fluctuations" claim (but still wouldn't improve your car worth squat).
Good to know it's just a highly obfuscated chunk of snake oil.
Seriously, great work.
I love it when the scientific method wins.
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Igor
Igor, I must say "well done".
When you founf out what was going on yuo really stepped up. Good job.
I just wanted to point out a couple of little things to help people on the future. (This is for the future...)
1) I felt it. This is called placebo effect. There is no shame in falling for it. Placebo effect is so powerfull that ANYONE can be subjected to it. It is how the human mind works. In fact drug tests must be DOUBLE blind because even if the dr/nurse giving the medication has expectations it will affect how the patient repsonds. (ie the patient suffers placebo effect based on the expectations of the care giver!)
People who consider themselves smart or scientific often make the mistake of thinking they can see past this effect. They can not. It is too deeply ingrained/natural in the human brain.
2) 2hp is within the noise margin on any dyno. Even when there are no changes at all the to car there are variances of more than 2hp. Also, later runs tend to be higher due to warming up of the tires/oil/etc.
I am not flaming anyone (and certainly not flaiming igor). I just wanted to post these things since this type of product will come around again and again. (splitfires / tornado / gas magnets / etc)
When you founf out what was going on yuo really stepped up. Good job.
I just wanted to point out a couple of little things to help people on the future. (This is for the future...)
1) I felt it. This is called placebo effect. There is no shame in falling for it. Placebo effect is so powerfull that ANYONE can be subjected to it. It is how the human mind works. In fact drug tests must be DOUBLE blind because even if the dr/nurse giving the medication has expectations it will affect how the patient repsonds. (ie the patient suffers placebo effect based on the expectations of the care giver!)
People who consider themselves smart or scientific often make the mistake of thinking they can see past this effect. They can not. It is too deeply ingrained/natural in the human brain.
2) 2hp is within the noise margin on any dyno. Even when there are no changes at all the to car there are variances of more than 2hp. Also, later runs tend to be higher due to warming up of the tires/oil/etc.
I am not flaming anyone (and certainly not flaiming igor). I just wanted to post these things since this type of product will come around again and again. (splitfires / tornado / gas magnets / etc)
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Thanks Andy.
There is not much room to argue the placebo, although I stick with my statement of I felt it
Will (UnderPressure) here on my350z test drove my car with and without the DPS back to back, and also noticed the smoothness, describing the effects being similar to a 'quality grounding kit.'
The weird thing is though - the HP gains were consistent.
And look at this:
I am thinking that the extra ground is capable of making this kind of difference.
There is not much room to argue the placebo, although I stick with my statement of I felt it
Will (UnderPressure) here on my350z test drove my car with and without the DPS back to back, and also noticed the smoothness, describing the effects being similar to a 'quality grounding kit.'The weird thing is though - the HP gains were consistent.
And look at this:
I am thinking that the extra ground is capable of making this kind of difference.
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From: Earth
Hi Igor,
But is this test car already grounded with earth grounding kit in the first place?
Or is the DPS's grounding effect cumulative together w/ the earth grounding kit?
If it is the latter, maybe you should keep the 1st grounding kit, then use extra cables to create more grounding points. In short, your car isn't grounded enough in the first place.
Semilarvatus
But is this test car already grounded with earth grounding kit in the first place?
Or is the DPS's grounding effect cumulative together w/ the earth grounding kit?
If it is the latter, maybe you should keep the 1st grounding kit, then use extra cables to create more grounding points. In short, your car isn't grounded enough in the first place.
Semilarvatus
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No wonder why DPS sort of trashes grounding kits on their website: Direct Power System USA - Compare and contrast . Cos' once you ground your car, DPS's effect may be minimized.
Last edited by Semilarvatus; Nov 23, 2003 at 03:51 PM.
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Maybe someone should email:
WHOIS information for directpowersystem.com:
[whois.enom.com]
Registration Service Provided By: CheapDomainNames.com - A NetSpots Company
Contact: info@netspots.com
Visit: http://www.cheapdomainnames.com/
Domain name: directpowersystem.com
Registrant Contact:
Direct Power System
M Smith (sales@directpowersystem.com)
+1.15107829986
FAX: +1.5102179569
2535 #4B West Winton Ave
Hayward, CA 94545
US
Administrative Contact:
Direct Power System
M Smith (sales@directpowersystem.com)
+1.15107829986
FAX: +1.5102179569
2535 #4B West Winton Ave
Hayward, CA 94545
US
Billing Contact:
Direct Power System
M Smith (sales@directpowersystem.com)
+1.15107829986
FAX: +1.5102179569
2535 #4B West Winton Ave
Hayward, CA 94545
US
Technical Contact:
Direct Power System
M Smith (sales@directpowersystem.com)
+1.15107829986
FAX: +1.5102179569
2535 #4B West Winton Ave
Hayward, CA 94545
US
WHOIS information for directpowersystem.com:
[whois.enom.com]
Registration Service Provided By: CheapDomainNames.com - A NetSpots Company
Contact: info@netspots.com
Visit: http://www.cheapdomainnames.com/
Domain name: directpowersystem.com
Registrant Contact:
Direct Power System
M Smith (sales@directpowersystem.com)
+1.15107829986
FAX: +1.5102179569
2535 #4B West Winton Ave
Hayward, CA 94545
US
Administrative Contact:
Direct Power System
M Smith (sales@directpowersystem.com)
+1.15107829986
FAX: +1.5102179569
2535 #4B West Winton Ave
Hayward, CA 94545
US
Billing Contact:
Direct Power System
M Smith (sales@directpowersystem.com)
+1.15107829986
FAX: +1.5102179569
2535 #4B West Winton Ave
Hayward, CA 94545
US
Technical Contact:
Direct Power System
M Smith (sales@directpowersystem.com)
+1.15107829986
FAX: +1.5102179569
2535 #4B West Winton Ave
Hayward, CA 94545
US
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I have contacted a number companies selling this product and told them that it is a scam with a link to this thread for proof. One guy already responded thanking me and that he had removed the ability for people to purchase the DPS until he read some more about it.
Power to the people!!!
Power to the people!!!
Last edited by jesseenglish; Nov 23, 2003 at 01:17 PM.
good job jesse..
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My crusade
As you go about your day on the internet.
If you happen to post on other automotive forums please make a post with a link to this website.
http://dps_is_a_scam.tripod.com
It's a small little website I threw together to make it easier to spread the word about the DPS product.
It's hard for one person to spread the word about this, but with the help of other members of this website and your associations with other forums, we'll be able to get the info out and people who've already purchased the product can demand refunds.
I'll update the website as I get more responses from some of the companies currently selling this product. I'm not gonna publish the company names yet until I find that they have ignored my emails and decided to sell the DPS product anyways, knowing full well it's a scam.
The only way we can truly stamp out this product is by getting the word out.
Please take a little time out of your day to do so. I've done my part, now it's time to do yours.
Regards,
Jesse English
If you happen to post on other automotive forums please make a post with a link to this website.
http://dps_is_a_scam.tripod.com
It's a small little website I threw together to make it easier to spread the word about the DPS product.
It's hard for one person to spread the word about this, but with the help of other members of this website and your associations with other forums, we'll be able to get the info out and people who've already purchased the product can demand refunds.
I'll update the website as I get more responses from some of the companies currently selling this product. I'm not gonna publish the company names yet until I find that they have ignored my emails and decided to sell the DPS product anyways, knowing full well it's a scam.
The only way we can truly stamp out this product is by getting the word out.
Please take a little time out of your day to do so. I've done my part, now it's time to do yours.
Regards,
Jesse English
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i will go hit up the mr2 board at www.board.mr2faq.com
and the www.rmmoc.com (rocky mountain MR2 board)
and the www.rmmoc.com (rocky mountain MR2 board)
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Tip 'o the giant flame resistant helmet to Jesse, Igor, everyone else that helped to uncover this scam.
Nice job and spread the word. All car enthuziasts should know about this.
Tip 'o the giant flame resistant helmet to Jesse, Igor, everyone else that helped to uncover this scam.
Nice job and spread the word. All car enthuziasts should know about this.
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Wish we could get it on "60 Minutes" or "20/20" or something like that. Don't they have a "consumer alert" segment or something?
Jesse, let me be the first (okay, not the first) to say, good job!!
Jesse, let me be the first (okay, not the first) to say, good job!!