NA an F/I. Tried 'em both. Like NA better on the Z.....
There is alot of point missing on this thread. 
Seems to me, like the only difference is driver preference/experience.
Putting 800 ponies in a Yugo with 12" tires is obviously like a retarded monkey going at a cupcake, UGLY, but, 800 ponies in a 911, a vehicle that can consume the output of the driver is a much better decision.
If you have a machine, NA, that can take everything you give it and ask for more, that will be extremely fun and energetic.
If you have a machine, FI, that can handle the driver output, that will be burnt into you mind forever.
Either way, you can't put a monkey behind the wheel of a true linear machine and expect good results,,,,Driver experience/preference is where it's at.
Seems to me, like the only difference is driver preference/experience.
Putting 800 ponies in a Yugo with 12" tires is obviously like a retarded monkey going at a cupcake, UGLY, but, 800 ponies in a 911, a vehicle that can consume the output of the driver is a much better decision.
If you have a machine, NA, that can take everything you give it and ask for more, that will be extremely fun and energetic.
If you have a machine, FI, that can handle the driver output, that will be burnt into you mind forever.
Either way, you can't put a monkey behind the wheel of a true linear machine and expect good results,,,,Driver experience/preference is where it's at.
Originally Posted by Jaki
Any way you look at, if both Z's (NA and FI) have not had any mods to improve their handling, then they would pretty much need to go into the curve at the same speed, but once they're out of the curve, which one do you think will be in front? It doesn't matter which Z your in, you will have to take the curve pretty much at the same speed, unless you have modified your handling. What matters is who will be in front once both Z are out of the curve. Another thing to consider is, a track is not ALL curves. There are a few straight aways, and the FI Z will have the edge there for sure, and hence will get to the next curve sooner.
I'm not trying to bash on the NA Z's, but I do think that a FI Z has the edge over a NA Z (at least if you compared it to the current one's that are 300rwhp max). People just make it sound like a TT Z is the worst thing you can have on the track, and its not like that at all. You just have to be a little more conscious of that extra power and use it when you can.
I'm not trying to bash on the NA Z's, but I do think that a FI Z has the edge over a NA Z (at least if you compared it to the current one's that are 300rwhp max). People just make it sound like a TT Z is the worst thing you can have on the track, and its not like that at all. You just have to be a little more conscious of that extra power and use it when you can.
Originally Posted by zzzya
Without brake and cooling upgrades, the TT Z would be lucky to even finish a race before overheating or simply burning up the brakes. It takes more money and more upgrades to get the TT Z balanced enough to be a great road race machine.
I'm not sure why you quoted me, but upgrading the brakes is a must on NA or FI if your tracking the car, and cooling upgrades are also a must on either one if you track the car for longer periods of time. Yes, a TT Z will need it more than a NA Z because it heats more, but BOTH WILL NEED it.
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I think some people missed my point. I was talking about a hypothetical situation. Here is my hypothetical situation:
450hp NA 350Z on a road course vs. a 450HP TT 350Z on a road course. Which one is a better track car?
Guy A says: It's all about control, if you know the limits of the TT it will be just as good if not better.
Guy B says: The linear power is easier to manage. The grip characteristics of a car with repsect to linear power delivery are inherently better than an uneven increase in power all at once. Although both cars can spin out, a linear curve is simply a better means to deal with while driving on a track.
AS for the TT's that PROVIDE LINEAR POWER DELIVERY they are obviously equally as good on the track, except for heating issues.
But I digress, Apparently no one is going to try to understand what anyone else is trying to say. In other words, no one here has any empathy. Let's just call it a draw, and be done with this thread. We have all wasted each other's time arguing. Guy A does not understand Guy B. Guy B does not understand Guy A. let's just quit!
450hp NA 350Z on a road course vs. a 450HP TT 350Z on a road course. Which one is a better track car?
Guy A says: It's all about control, if you know the limits of the TT it will be just as good if not better.
Guy B says: The linear power is easier to manage. The grip characteristics of a car with repsect to linear power delivery are inherently better than an uneven increase in power all at once. Although both cars can spin out, a linear curve is simply a better means to deal with while driving on a track.
AS for the TT's that PROVIDE LINEAR POWER DELIVERY they are obviously equally as good on the track, except for heating issues.
But I digress, Apparently no one is going to try to understand what anyone else is trying to say. In other words, no one here has any empathy. Let's just call it a draw, and be done with this thread. We have all wasted each other's time arguing. Guy A does not understand Guy B. Guy B does not understand Guy A. let's just quit!
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Everyone with FI keeps focusing on the CAR's capabilities, and I'm really talking about the car-driver interaction. The gentleness and restraint required by the driver to keep FI under control in this car diminish some of the fun of driving it.
Drive a high torque vehicle with AWD, then a high torque vehicle with RWD/FWD. I guaruntee you will have more fun in the AWD vehicle because you can let yourself go and not worry about the control issue, and fully enjoy all that power.
Yes, you can learn to control a boosted Z, but that's not the point. A beautifully and properly balanced car shouldn't require "learning" to be able to drive well. A reasonably experienced and skilled driver should be able to get in for the first time and it should all come together for him/her.
Once again, I'm not trying to negate the thrill of high torque. It is a killer rush, to be sure. I just feel after having an FI system on my Z and having driven and owned other cars with stock and aftermarket FI systems, the Z overall is better suited for moderate power and NA tweaking for overall pleasure for the driver in all "sporting" driving condtions.
Drive a high torque vehicle with AWD, then a high torque vehicle with RWD/FWD. I guaruntee you will have more fun in the AWD vehicle because you can let yourself go and not worry about the control issue, and fully enjoy all that power.
Yes, you can learn to control a boosted Z, but that's not the point. A beautifully and properly balanced car shouldn't require "learning" to be able to drive well. A reasonably experienced and skilled driver should be able to get in for the first time and it should all come together for him/her.
Once again, I'm not trying to negate the thrill of high torque. It is a killer rush, to be sure. I just feel after having an FI system on my Z and having driven and owned other cars with stock and aftermarket FI systems, the Z overall is better suited for moderate power and NA tweaking for overall pleasure for the driver in all "sporting" driving condtions.
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