Hey Maxima boy, if you would like me to scan you a copy of my transcripts I'd be more than happy to @sshole. But this isnt about that, and I like how you really like to divert from a technical discussion.

Sorry bud, Forced Induction was outlawed in F1. All the motors are naturally aspirated now. Also, last time I checked, one of the most successful cars in Le Mans isnt turbocharged- the Corvette. Also, just cause the Z32's had twin turbos and cause Nissan traditionally likes twin turbo engines, doesnt mean it's better with twin turbos. I agree that twin turbos could make some serious power, but the reasons you gave just arent valid reasons.

The comparison you make between the ITR and the Skyline isnt valid cause there's over a 100 hp difference between the two (everyone know the Skylines are underrated) as well as differences in suspension set up and the drive wheels! Come on, that's not a N/A vs Turbo matter, but an overall more sophisticated car vs a car based on a front wheel drive economy chassis matter.

With the NSX, yeah it is UNDERPOWERED, but it still finds it's way up NEAR the top, although it might not win. I mean just look at the Ferrari 360 modena. Sure it's down on power compared to a 911 turbo, but around a track, the ability to stay in a lower gear longer due to it's high reving ability, allows it to beat the 911 turbo. Once again, I concede that there's more there than JUST the engine BUT it's a better comparison than a ITR vs Skyline.

Guys sorry I started so much $hit. This has completely diverted from the original topic. The point here was to say that N/A tuning, DESPITE it's inability to create as much power as some of the turbo motors, still has it's merits. I couldnt see why some people were talking about turboing this great N/A motor. I mean it wouldnt work anyway cause N/A porting, cams, pistons, and tuning really dont get along with forced induction but even hypothetically, these motors are works of art and on the track, they would be absolutely amazing. Are these points too hard to agree with?

 

i used the F1 because they have been turbocharged and the turbocharged cars have won
i used the skyline because without the turbo and with that weight its a dramatically weaker car same thing as a supra
take an NA supra (did everyone else just laugh when i said NA supra) you cant honestly say you would take it over a TT supra

and my point is just that each method for hp has its own advantages and disadvantaves

besdides we all know the best engine is a rotary

 

Personally I will definatly go FI because for open road racing NA in the desert and trying to put out monster power is not gonna fly. Now if I was going around a track or X'ing I would more then likely go the rout of this engine why? When the turbo's kick in the rear tires kick out...you really have to keep in mind when the turbo kicks in and I just dont remember stuff If my goal wasnt top speed I would definatly go NA, a tuned induction is alot cooler looking then a turbo will ever be, its cleaner looking and reminds me of the Cobra's and the sound is unmistakable. Btw Rotary engines wont win a race that involves more then a 1/4 too many pit stops for those fuel hungry engines...great engines though.

 

i really wish one had beat the MRS in the jgtc this year but oh well
at least mazdas got the 787b

 

ihatethatbobbarker,
But the N/A Supra motor isnt a tuned N/A motor. It was designed for the people who wanted a Supra but couldnt afford a twin turbo or didnt care about the power. N/A doesnt necessarily mean worse when talking about turned cars. But yes I love rotaries too (except for those darn apex seals)!

Duck,
I completely agree with you. Turbo motors are going to make more power when you're talking about a tuned turbo motor vs a N/A motor. However, the torque curve will not be nearly as linear and I still think you could get a 100-110 hp per liter out of a VQ. The key would be to make the VQ rev higher and make it keep the awesome torque that it makes in the midrange rpms throughout the powerband (aka E46 M3's and NSX's). You brought up a good point about the temperature as well.