your list is pretty much spot on

 

Well one thing the revup has bigger cams factory than the non revup engines. The s7 cams i have are .450" lift, i would of liked to go around .480" lift for more power but there are no cams that big. Im going to be putting in a factory limited slip soon, found a cheap one heh. When i ran it stock at the track it sucked couldnt even launch for the wheelspin. Even with my new bigger tires it still smokes the hell out of them. I have 275/40s on the rear. Sometimes from about a 10mph roll the car will start burning the tires if i punch it, it wouldnt even do that on the stock rears.

I will have it dynoed soon i hope, im waiting on parts now to fix my test pipes, well make new ones out of thick metal and some not too cheap resonaters.

 

Here is the list that guy posted with just some minor changes. No where near 10K. You guys are really over thinking this NA thing.


JWT Popcharger $110
JWT clutch & flywheel $769
UR pulley set 330
Lebree resonated TP'S 325
Magnaflow or other exhaust. $600-1000
Custom ground wire kit $110
MD 5/16 spacer and new manifold 400+320=720
Z Pipe 110
Varis intake duct, 189
Headers Stub 631

Total $3895-4294 add cams and you are at $5600

Subtract the Flywheel and Clutch or at least add it to your FI cost. Same goes with the exhaust.

Emanage would be $450 ish.

Greddy turbo kit is 7K. Add other parts and you are well over the price I listed. Add at least $1500 to that price for exhaust, Clutch. Never mind any other fuel upgrade you may need.

I was working off someone elses build sheet. I would build different and easily make it cheaper and possible better. These prices are all full price just a quick search on the internet. I could do better but I am tired of arguing about stupid stuff.

 

At what point did we compare it to the Greddy kit? A Vortech kit is less than your totally, as is a Turbonetics single turbo. These also happen to be the most popular choices for FI use. Yes the Greddy kit is more, so is APS, so is PE - but that's neither here nor there imo.

We're not overthinking anything - we're just going around in circles at this point.

Again, if you think you can do it cheaper/better/faster than its been done, more power to ya - post your results when its complete.

 

My point was its not 10K to do NA. It's also not cheaper to go turbo. Neither is it safer. NA is still safer in the end for a HPDE car which is what interest me. Single turbo kit is $4855. Add the clutch and your still above my price by about 1500. Add the exhaust and your 2300 over or so. YOu could do it with out the exhaust but not the clutch.

All this trouble just because I wondered why people didn't use cams and why we didn't have any good long tube headers. Geez.

But I didn't realize the single turbo kit was so cheap. I will keep an eye on that one.

 

you don't need to do a clutch on a vortec or any single turbo kit out of the box.....most of my customers with those kits are not running clutches. Yes, given your list, the FI route comes out a bit more expensive - and you're also 100 whp higher, and if you are paying someone to install it, or even installing it yourself, you're also out enjoying your car sooner. You can install a Vortec or a TN in less time than it takes to install cams. And that, again, is exactly the same thing alot of us have saying in this thread since it started. The community, as a whole, has chosen to embrace FI over NA for all the reasons I've outlined previously.

Anyway, I'm done, good luck on your project.

 

https://my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=242518

 

Just noticed the 4800 ish was with out the ecu. It's still over 5200 for one with the ecu.

 

I just like knowing my options. I also don't like people telling me what is and is not worth my time. When people started throwing around "FI is cheaper" it really made me wonder about the validity of what they are saying. Especially when I was only talking about basic bolt ons with cams and everyone seemed to think I meant a built long block and dreams of 300+whp. I think it all gets out of hand sometimes. But, I do appreciate your sticking in this with me. I did learn some things. I am not totaly sold on boost but I am more sold then I was thats for sure. Thanks.

 

you can get the TN kit for around that price with the ecu if you shop around. We are not a big TN dealer, so our pricing is a bit higher. On the flipside, we either have a kit in at all times, or get them within a day.

Vortech is under $5k

 

I'm not trying to tell you what is worth and not worth your time...only you can decide that for yourelf

You seemed confused as to why not alot of people go NA. Thats what we explained - its an expensive proposition relative to the gains you get, when compared to the lower cost FI setups. Then, to get BIG NA power, which almost no one has done, costs nothing short of a small fortune...at least as much as a full on twin setup and then some, yet still without the power gains.

Believe me, I had no interest in going FI on my own car from the beginning. We stock the kits, they just are not my cup of tea for my own car (since I own a fast FI car already I don't feel the compelling need to have another). But for the vast majority, the FI path is a proven one, with consistent results, and as such, has proven pretty popular.

 

So do you think the VQ with a 400whp turbo kit like you describe would survive regular track/HPDE events?

 

it's a matter of:

1. picking the right combo of parts

2. who tunes it

I dont personally consider most HPDE's to be particularly taxing on a car, since you're really limited in what you can do. But yes, I think it would be more than fine if you take the time to get the right stuff and pick the right tuner.

 

I run group 3 with NASA years ago so I don't end up wasting a lot of time behind slow people who won't point you by. Lot's of supposedly safe cars don't survive HPDE's for long.