Petition to Hypertech for handheld flash ECU Program Units
07-02-2003, 11:22 AM
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Petition to Hypertech for handheld flash ECU Program Units
I will forward this list to my connection at Hypertech so the more signatures the better the chance. Please be valid in you info
Name Max Maxson
email getmywebmail@yahoo.com
Car 2003 350Z Auto Touring
Handle MaxHax
Name Max Maxson
email getmywebmail@yahoo.com
Car 2003 350Z Auto Touring
Handle MaxHax
07-02-2003, 12:31 PM
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Max, maybe a link to the item you are asking for (for another car), so people understand.... not everybody might know what you mean.
I had researched this for previous cars, so I know what you mean.
I am in :
Name Sergio Aponte
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Car 2003 350Z Touring/6MT
Handle slaponte
I had researched this for previous cars, so I know what you mean.
I am in :
Name Sergio Aponte
email slaponte@yahoo.com
Car 2003 350Z Touring/6MT
Handle slaponte
07-02-2003, 12:48 PM
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Ok. finally some.. answers after suggesting it to Technos.. (sorry if i keep getting redundant...)
:flame suit on:
Dometic cars like the Fords and Chevy's use a simpler ECU setup.. their parameters are readily available from their sofware update menu... the differences for the Nissans and the Chevys/Fords is that for all nissans, we have a mode called "programming mode" in which you basically the entire software is now open for modification. Chevys/Fords have no programming mode to enter. from the diagnostics port, you can change values pretty much instantly, as you may have seen from the HyperTech devices, you can choose timing and other sorts of values to change.... for the nissan, the code is fairly, difficult... you may have read prior that not only does our ecu control things such as ignition and fuel, it also controls other car components via the Local Area Network.. Values for A/F, timing, are imbedded in the code such that its a little bit more complicated to change, and its not just 1 value at 1 location. you have to alter various numbers.
Also for nissan, our Eprom flash memory is quite particular... it takes nearly 15 to 20 minutes to completely override the previous code in order for your changes to take affect. how do you do this? you have to make sure your car does not have any uninterupted power flow while doing it, also making sure your port is securely fashioned into the diag port as not to disrupt the upload.... typically these hypertech devices have their own on-board battery, which i do not trust to last several uploadings... have you ever used a digital camera plugged into the PC to upload picts? same type of power draw if not more from a mini-lithion ION battery.. sure the first couple of times itll last. but then its toast and you'll have to recharge.. i know its a far fetch, but possibilitiy none the less..
secondly. there's the copy right issue. whats stopping you from taking the hand held device from 1 car to another and just reflashing their car and not paying for it? or if it always needs to be installed on a car, then what's the real benefit of having a dadget stuck to the dianostics port all the time when 1 time will do the trick? i.e. if you unplug it. does it go back to stock? that im not familar with the hypertech units so i cant say much.
so to basically sum it up.. the nissan ecu's code is well embeded with the values you wish to change quite literally you have to search for it.. i mean if it was just there when you first load it up. when we wouldnt have taken 3-4 monthes of r&d time to find it... yet another reason why we cant get an piggy back "on/off" ecu board to piggy back the current ecu, its just that much more difficult to design a board to co-exist with the current hardware..
If you can get Hypertech to build us an eprom reader/reflasher with the correct software to find those specific values to change on the fly (and be able to convert the Hex code and search at the specific locations within the mappings) PLEASE let me know and i can get something going...
:flame suit still on:
:flame suit on:
Dometic cars like the Fords and Chevy's use a simpler ECU setup.. their parameters are readily available from their sofware update menu... the differences for the Nissans and the Chevys/Fords is that for all nissans, we have a mode called "programming mode" in which you basically the entire software is now open for modification. Chevys/Fords have no programming mode to enter. from the diagnostics port, you can change values pretty much instantly, as you may have seen from the HyperTech devices, you can choose timing and other sorts of values to change.... for the nissan, the code is fairly, difficult... you may have read prior that not only does our ecu control things such as ignition and fuel, it also controls other car components via the Local Area Network.. Values for A/F, timing, are imbedded in the code such that its a little bit more complicated to change, and its not just 1 value at 1 location. you have to alter various numbers.
Also for nissan, our Eprom flash memory is quite particular... it takes nearly 15 to 20 minutes to completely override the previous code in order for your changes to take affect. how do you do this? you have to make sure your car does not have any uninterupted power flow while doing it, also making sure your port is securely fashioned into the diag port as not to disrupt the upload.... typically these hypertech devices have their own on-board battery, which i do not trust to last several uploadings... have you ever used a digital camera plugged into the PC to upload picts? same type of power draw if not more from a mini-lithion ION battery.. sure the first couple of times itll last. but then its toast and you'll have to recharge.. i know its a far fetch, but possibilitiy none the less..
secondly. there's the copy right issue. whats stopping you from taking the hand held device from 1 car to another and just reflashing their car and not paying for it? or if it always needs to be installed on a car, then what's the real benefit of having a dadget stuck to the dianostics port all the time when 1 time will do the trick? i.e. if you unplug it. does it go back to stock? that im not familar with the hypertech units so i cant say much.
so to basically sum it up.. the nissan ecu's code is well embeded with the values you wish to change quite literally you have to search for it.. i mean if it was just there when you first load it up. when we wouldnt have taken 3-4 monthes of r&d time to find it... yet another reason why we cant get an piggy back "on/off" ecu board to piggy back the current ecu, its just that much more difficult to design a board to co-exist with the current hardware..
If you can get Hypertech to build us an eprom reader/reflasher with the correct software to find those specific values to change on the fly (and be able to convert the Hex code and search at the specific locations within the mappings) PLEASE let me know and i can get something going...
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07-02-2003, 12:53 PM
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Not everything you have said adds up (especially about A5T's negated mods and now misinformation on FI so here is the link
http://www.hypertech-inc.com/
Check the FAQ.
This doesn't have to be Hypertech we can get a list of 100 and send it to anyone even Import Tuner MAG I know someone there (Ratbear)
'secondly. there's the copy right issue. whats stopping you from taking the hand held device from 1 car to another and just reflashing their car and not paying for it?"
Because it's vin specific man, you can market your product while not trashing everyone elses can't you?
Be fair that's all and research before you jump in to topics .
http://www.hypertech-inc.com/
Check the FAQ.
This doesn't have to be Hypertech we can get a list of 100 and send it to anyone even Import Tuner MAG I know someone there (Ratbear)
'secondly. there's the copy right issue. whats stopping you from taking the hand held device from 1 car to another and just reflashing their car and not paying for it?"
Because it's vin specific man, you can market your product while not trashing everyone elses can't you?
Be fair that's all and research before you jump in to topics .
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07-02-2003, 01:31 PM
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i dont believe i've ever trashed anyone's product (beside stealin's) and i have always been positive in my replies. i do not believe i have posted misinformation on Forced induction or on the ECU. You have not seen what i have, why are you trying to call me out? i'm here to help you guys man. what the heck? Just cuz the blower has an auxillary fuel pump doesnt necessarily mean its perfectly tuned. or for that matter if thats on the thought process of 'any fuel management is better than no fuel management' which is completely wrong.
... i do my research, i've been doing nothing but trying to help the community out. I know bullshiit when i see it. and i know what is possible and whats not. i post my experiences in so that people have a better understanding of their cars and i try to be as honest and frank as possible.
If you think you know more than the ECU than what i've have posted, then please do so and prove me wrong. I'm not the only one here that has seen the ecu do its voodoo magic on mods. Ask Crawford. Ask Importrider. Ask Skidazzle. what's their take. oh sure, i am just like you in that i hope that the ECU isnt the culprit in some odd occurances when tuning.. but hey. do your own R&D.
i would suggest that you take a step back, look at what is physically possible for THIS CAR, and what you're imagining that might happen or what you want to do, and see what you can do about it.
when people are saying "the handheld is a good idea, i'm not going to buy any ecu for the Z unless its like that" thats cool. you'll just be waiting a while longer until it comes out. go for it man, ask ratbear, or something, get some support out. more products is good for all of us.
--Cheston
if you disagree, lets take it to the PMs so we dont have to disrupt this forum.
... i do my research, i've been doing nothing but trying to help the community out. I know bullshiit when i see it. and i know what is possible and whats not. i post my experiences in so that people have a better understanding of their cars and i try to be as honest and frank as possible.
If you think you know more than the ECU than what i've have posted, then please do so and prove me wrong. I'm not the only one here that has seen the ecu do its voodoo magic on mods. Ask Crawford. Ask Importrider. Ask Skidazzle. what's their take. oh sure, i am just like you in that i hope that the ECU isnt the culprit in some odd occurances when tuning.. but hey. do your own R&D.
i would suggest that you take a step back, look at what is physically possible for THIS CAR, and what you're imagining that might happen or what you want to do, and see what you can do about it.
when people are saying "the handheld is a good idea, i'm not going to buy any ecu for the Z unless its like that" thats cool. you'll just be waiting a while longer until it comes out. go for it man, ask ratbear, or something, get some support out. more products is good for all of us.
--Cheston
if you disagree, lets take it to the PMs so we dont have to disrupt this forum.
07-02-2003, 01:49 PM
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Alright, for the copyright issue, with the Hypertech you cannot load the aftermarket program onto a vehicle until you have replaced the stock program on the original vehicle. After that you can program a different car but the first one will be stock. You can only program a car that is the same year and powertrain, etc. This works fine. There is no copyright issue. Besides, the customer OWNS the programmer.
Also, a Hypertech has a recharger? Max - have you heard of this? I haven't. It runs off your car's power like a powered USB port. What is the problem with that? It isn't going to die.
The only roadblock is making TS program go onto the programming device. More R&D, longer time before revenue, payoff when it happens. Patience is a virtue, Ches and TS.
I don't think this is an issue of ECU knowledge. If we can go to the moon surely we can put a program to reprogram the Z on a handheld. It is another simple case of they can but they won't.
Let's not go to PM's because this info that is on these two threads is valuable decision making info for consumers.
I will say that we should be able to have a thread like this and have it not be interrupted by naysayers and competition. Ches is you want a list of potentials then start your own, but don't drown out this one. Please of course.
I am in for the petition of course,
Cody Blackmon
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Also, a Hypertech has a recharger? Max - have you heard of this? I haven't. It runs off your car's power like a powered USB port. What is the problem with that? It isn't going to die.
The only roadblock is making TS program go onto the programming device. More R&D, longer time before revenue, payoff when it happens. Patience is a virtue, Ches and TS.
I don't think this is an issue of ECU knowledge. If we can go to the moon surely we can put a program to reprogram the Z on a handheld. It is another simple case of they can but they won't.
Let's not go to PM's because this info that is on these two threads is valuable decision making info for consumers.
I will say that we should be able to have a thread like this and have it not be interrupted by naysayers and competition. Ches is you want a list of potentials then start your own, but don't drown out this one. Please of course.
I am in for the petition of course,
Cody Blackmon
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2003 350Z Touring 6M
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07-02-2003, 01:50 PM
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Chebosto, in reading the above thread just a couple of comments.
A) The first thing YOu do in your post is to put on the flame-suit. So, I guess you are aware that what you are about to say is, lets say, controversial at best.
B) All Max wants to do is let Hypertech know we would be interested. It is up to Hypertech to decide if it makes good business sense or not. They might come back and say "sure, but each one will cost you $5K..."...
C) The reasons you give are
C1) Hard to do. Hardly a reason. Some machine somewhere is coding this ECUs, so decoding and encoding them must be possible.
C2) The "copyright" issue : doesn't Hypertech face this same issue with every single hand-held coder they make? Yet, for Fords and Chevys it seems to make sense, no?
So, I don't see whats wrong with letting Hypertech know we would like to have one, and ythe reasons not to make one that you gave don't seem to float that well.
It sounds more like you are saying : If it was me or my business I would NOT make make them because of (B) and (C) as stated...
I don't see the reason for the argument here...
A) The first thing YOu do in your post is to put on the flame-suit. So, I guess you are aware that what you are about to say is, lets say, controversial at best.
B) All Max wants to do is let Hypertech know we would be interested. It is up to Hypertech to decide if it makes good business sense or not. They might come back and say "sure, but each one will cost you $5K..."...
C) The reasons you give are
C1) Hard to do. Hardly a reason. Some machine somewhere is coding this ECUs, so decoding and encoding them must be possible.
C2) The "copyright" issue : doesn't Hypertech face this same issue with every single hand-held coder they make? Yet, for Fords and Chevys it seems to make sense, no?
So, I don't see whats wrong with letting Hypertech know we would like to have one, and ythe reasons not to make one that you gave don't seem to float that well.
It sounds more like you are saying : If it was me or my business I would NOT make make them because of (B) and (C) as stated...
I don't see the reason for the argument here...
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07-02-2003, 02:17 PM
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Cody- the uploader with the new program cant die. neither can the power to the ecu...it needs constant current flow..
i just dont want you guys to fukk up the ecu cuz of a stupid error like power drain.. its because its running off the car's internal battery, the AMPs have to be consistant and not drop off to a point where the ECU will lose power. if that happens, then your ecu is crap. to prevent this. you get a backup generator and provide a constant charging of the car while you're doing the ecu reflashing.... it takes 15 minutes for our lame ECU memory to get re-written.
i have expressed my heart felt wish that Technos make a portable device, they say it will take more time, and they will attempt it... dont say i didnt try..... there is a practicality issue, if Hyper tech said 'ok. we'll do it, and yes it will be $5k" are you really going to pay $5k? hmm.. but it could also be $350....
as far as the copyright issue. as i stated before sorry. i dont know how the hypertech units are sold as so you can only do it via VIN number. this may well be a possibility.
yes. i did put on my flame suit. its fitting quite nicely with the fire on my toes. and i am quite confident on my opinions. i'm not trying to hijack this thread... sorry if it seems like it. perhaps Ares should move out my discusion on the "ECU low down" thread..
Slaponte: C1 is probably the main issue here.
but my reply is in respect to how he stated that i have presented mis information. which i have not.
i just dont want you guys to fukk up the ecu cuz of a stupid error like power drain.. its because its running off the car's internal battery, the AMPs have to be consistant and not drop off to a point where the ECU will lose power. if that happens, then your ecu is crap. to prevent this. you get a backup generator and provide a constant charging of the car while you're doing the ecu reflashing.... it takes 15 minutes for our lame ECU memory to get re-written.
i have expressed my heart felt wish that Technos make a portable device, they say it will take more time, and they will attempt it... dont say i didnt try..... there is a practicality issue, if Hyper tech said 'ok. we'll do it, and yes it will be $5k" are you really going to pay $5k? hmm.. but it could also be $350....
as far as the copyright issue. as i stated before sorry. i dont know how the hypertech units are sold as so you can only do it via VIN number. this may well be a possibility.
yes. i did put on my flame suit. its fitting quite nicely with the fire on my toes. and i am quite confident on my opinions. i'm not trying to hijack this thread... sorry if it seems like it. perhaps Ares should move out my discusion on the "ECU low down" thread..
Slaponte: C1 is probably the main issue here.
but my reply is in respect to how he stated that i have presented mis information. which i have not.
07-02-2003, 02:21 PM
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Chebosto-
Along the same line, does Technosquare plan on selling the ability to reprgram ECU's to local shops? It is possible that they could sell all of the equipment and bundle it into a GUI based application for reprogramming... somewhat like a franchise.
Some of the owners here don't have a beater for every day driving. I can't lose my car for a week to send the ECU in... and if the ECU were to get damaged in shipping, I would lose my car for several weeks.
Along the same line, does Technosquare plan on selling the ability to reprgram ECU's to local shops? It is possible that they could sell all of the equipment and bundle it into a GUI based application for reprogramming... somewhat like a franchise.
Some of the owners here don't have a beater for every day driving. I can't lose my car for a week to send the ECU in... and if the ECU were to get damaged in shipping, I would lose my car for several weeks.
07-02-2003, 02:34 PM
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TechnoSquare sells the reprogrammer, along with the software for your local tuner to make their own program. what Technosquare will not sell you is their completed program, and/or the specific areas in which you need to know for tuning purposes. if your local shop wants to get into the ECU tuning business please have them contact technosquare, perhaps Maxhax should forward technosquare's contact information to Hypertech..
a week turn around would probably only happen if you chose the 3-day express saver shipment for return... most of the time, its a 2 to 3 day turn around.. locals can swing by...
i've only seen 1 ecu that has been damaged by shipping, only because the owner just sent the ecu in an unprotected vanilla envelope and put stamps on it.. obviously you would want to bubble wrap it and put it in a box. (those fedex boxess fit just fine with newspapers on each side of the ecu)
please... comments like this.. PM me.. i dont want to hijack Maxhax's thread any more...
TechnoSquare sells the reprogrammer, along with the software for your local tuner to make their own program. what Technosquare will not sell you is their completed program, and/or the specific areas in which you need to know for tuning purposes. if your local shop wants to get into the ECU tuning business please have them contact technosquare, perhaps Maxhax should forward technosquare's contact information to Hypertech..
a week turn around would probably only happen if you chose the 3-day express saver shipment for return... most of the time, its a 2 to 3 day turn around.. locals can swing by...
i've only seen 1 ecu that has been damaged by shipping, only because the owner just sent the ecu in an unprotected vanilla envelope and put stamps on it.. obviously you would want to bubble wrap it and put it in a box. (those fedex boxess fit just fine with newspapers on each side of the ecu)
please... comments like this.. PM me.. i dont want to hijack Maxhax's thread any more...
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Re: Petition to Hypertech for handheld flash ECU Program Units
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I like the Upgrade of Technosquare, but I'm in P.R. the shipping will be VERY expensive... I work with Hypertech before and is a AA++ product!
Name: Enrique Oyola
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07-02-2003, 08:00 PM
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Don't forget us G35 owners! I love the promise of the TSI ECM flash and can even handle sending in my ECM once to get it done, but to have to have it re-flashed would be a pain. I'm down for a handheld DIY unit.
Chebosto:
On another note, with the ECM not compensating for the mods to maintain lowest possible emissions, will our cars have trouble passing smog with a bunch of bolt-ons?
Name: Steve Stisser
Email: steve_stisser@hotmail.com
car: 2003 G35c 6MT
handle: MustGoFastR
Chebosto:
On another note, with the ECM not compensating for the mods to maintain lowest possible emissions, will our cars have trouble passing smog with a bunch of bolt-ons?
Name: Steve Stisser
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07-03-2003, 12:23 AM
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if you disagree, lets take it to the PMs so we dont have to disrupt this forum.
I will wait for a hand held unit, it doesn't take 15 muinutes and fail safe features are in place for power loss.
It stores your stock data and you can always revert back to it simply by plugging it into a port.
Here are some more Pro''s rather than cons.
Take it to the track. Hitting the rev limiter. Raise it with Hypertech!
Top speed limiter 255 mph hehe
plus or minus 6 points up or down on shift points!
So on N20 you plug it in minus about 2 wait 5 minutes and go. Not perfect or want to go N/A.
Go park in the shade have a soda and plug it in the port. Add plus 2 or 3 to your shift points and wala 2 more tenths (I'm not making this up I owned one and did all this every week.)
You have a dozen TS Threads can't we just have *ONE* pole w/o your naysayer stuff that's all I am asking. I don't dislike you never met you I just posted a pole because I don't want to pull my ECU out it's that simple man!
This is the best quote of this entire thread! Kudo's to you sir!
"I don't think this is an issue of ECU knowledge. If we can go to the moon surely we can put a program to reprogram the Z on a handheld. It is another simple case of they can but they won't."
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daddy I want an oompa loompa errr I mean and ECU NOW!!!
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daddy I want an oompa loompa errr I mean and ECU NOW!!!
07-08-2003, 06:16 AM
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Thanks everyone
Sent the thread to Hypertech and also asked for input on imports if they will not sway from Domestics.
Worth a try. Enoughh people interested and they will build wings for this car if the money is there!
Worth a try. Enoughh people interested and they will build wings for this car if the money is there!
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Keep hope alive!
Our car is listed in their suggestion petition page, it wasn't last year!
http://www.hypertech-inc.com/contact.html
I strongly encourage everyone to drill down the request form all the way to 2003 Nissan 350Z Auto or Manual (we need lots of both) asnd submit the request. I jsut did and sent them the link to this thread.
Things are looking up!
http://www.hypertech-inc.com/contact.html
I strongly encourage everyone to drill down the request form all the way to 2003 Nissan 350Z Auto or Manual (we need lots of both) asnd submit the request. I jsut did and sent them the link to this thread.
Things are looking up!