^^ you are talking about Snyper, which is the one that all started this and is the man for his build.. If you don't know he has already add a T88 to his LS2 and is crazy.. Check out his build here.. http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/conver...8mm-turbo.html

As far as weight goes and space.. The LS ways less then the VQ and there is more space, bottom line..

 

Havoks swap is uber clean.....got a chance to see it this weekend....


It's amazing how low the ls motors sit in comparison to VQ...

 

^^ soooo sick... I can't wait to start mine, I have some surprises for you guys..

 

The LS is not lighter than the VQ. It is a bit heavier but not a significant amount in my opinion. It is a bit longer but is narrower and shorter than the VQ by quite a bit. I was able to fit my LS1 with Vette oil pan and intake manifold under a tonneau cover in a Nissan Titan. That is how much shorter it is than the VQ.

 

^^ well I know that when Snyper put in the LS2 motor he was 265lbs lighter than a stock 350z.. Now he added all the turbo, plus turbo piping and FMI and he weighs 3320(+/- 20lbs scale resolution) which is Better than stock. Stock is 3365, and the engine sits about 4" lower than the stock engine...so its lighter with a better center of gravity. This is his findings after weighing his car, not mine.. I plan on doing a before and after weight to see the differences

 

Snyper musta lied to you then because the LS is in no way lighter than the VQ. The LS have been found to the between 80 to 100 lbs heavier than the VQ and it make the Z more nose heavy because more weight is sitting in front of the front wheels instead of behind it like on the VQ. But look.... You don't have to take my word for it. You don't have to listen to anything I have to say on the matter. It's not like I know anything right?
I might as well stop posting to this thread since it's such a waste of time.

Quamen you can PM me if you have any questions I can help answer. The rest of you can go kick rocks for all I care.

 

^^ Wooow,, you don't have to get all defensive over the matter. I was just stating what another member found out when he went to weigh his car. Never said he was right or I was right...

 

Has anyone seen this: http://paceperformance.com/index.asp...&ProdID=282653

These EROD engines apparently are CARB certified implementations of the LS3. The site has links to the mating transmission as well. The package comes with everything needed to be CARB compliant. Pricing is a little steep at $8200 for the engine and the CARB required components. Another $2900 for the tranny. That's getting close to $12k without all the labor, welds, mounts, tuning, and other customization to make it work. So the $20k number Havok mentioned is probably spot on.

Nevertheless, with this you get a brand new CARB approved LS3 620Z. I plan on waiting until my motor flatlines in another 5 years before I take on this endeavor. Just thought if anyone in Cali was attempting this monstrosity the above link might be something to consider.

 

The GMPP Catalog lists the weight of the LS3 crate engine at 415 pounds. Our VQ weighs 313. So that's about 1.04 1bs per horsepower for our VQ versus 1.08 lbs per horsepower for the LS3. Similar efficiencies.

When comparing total weight:
2005 Enthusiast stock curb weight: 3221 (10.7 lbs / horsepower)
2005 Enthusiast LS3 curb weight: 3323 (7.7 lbs / horsepower)

 

Other than the fact that you can't pass emissions with a motor from a different make than the car. It's not to say you couldn't pass the test itself but it is still not technically legal.

 

I remember Snyper before he was banned. He spoke of this build like last year.. Nice to see it came to fruition... Makes me wanna replicate his build in my s14...

 

I don't believe that to true anymore. I once thought it was, but someone here in the GTM VK56 thread corrected me by citing proof of the actual CARB legislation. From what I have read:

- Engine & tranny can't be from a heavy duty vehicle.
- Engine & tranny need to be newer than your model car.
- Engine & tranny need to go together. (Can't mix and match.)
- All emissions equipment from the donor model must be installed and working by producing the proper codes.

It seems that this kit will do that.

 

I may stand corrected then. Either way, I don't think I would want this swap in Cali. I hear horror stories of people with all CARB approved components getting their car inspected all the time when they get pulled over. I could only imagine what it would be like when the cop saw an LS motor in there.

 

The welds on that intake remind of something out of top secret or bee racing.. nice..

 

LS1 in the engine bay:





Engine mounts are made and tacked together. Just sent them out to the welder to be finished. Oil pan is complete and installed. 60-2 timing ring is being put on the crank pulley and I am going to start making the mounts for the TH400. Hoping to be 75-90% done by the end of June.

 

i'm not from cali but i could have sworn that the "engine and tranny has to be from a newer model" also has a statement that it has to be from THE SAME MODEL.

unless they changed it in the last month i'm almost certain that the engine is required to come from the same make and model vehicle. could have changed though

that was one of the reasons that the vk56 swap gtm was doing would be for "track use only" or cars registered out of state (from california). I think they have the exact laws with statue codes in their thread.

 

The reason why the GTM VK56 wasn't going to work is because the manifold wouldn't fit without significant modifcation thus violating CARB. Also, the mated tranny would have to be one of the TITAN's automatic transmissions. Having a manual tranny mated to the VK56 wouldn't pass CARB either. In that same thread one our premier members corrected me and pointed out several cars that have had transplants done from other makes. It's more popular than we may think. Especially in the Mazda crowd. Lots of LS motors on the RX-7 scene.

It's really the only way to significantly increase power legally. The only legal FI route is Vortech.

 

I believe the HKS supercharger is CARB legal as well...

And Stillen, too...but its arguable how much of a power upgrade that actually is...

As a Cali guy, I really wonder if the potential hassle of an LS engine swap is worth it; the CARB guys can be really **** if you get referreed...I'm running a Vortech but with the mods I've made to it its definitely not Carb legal, even though to the standard cop they may not notice the mods...if I ever do get referred I just have to make some changes to my setup to make it CARB legal again...it's not quite so simple with an LS engine...

 

Looking good!

 

True. The engine must be from the same model year or newer which is the reason I went with the LS2 vs the LS1 or LS6. VK56 is also like 60+lbs heavier I think than the LS motors not including whatever the trans weight is.