Notices
Engine & Drivetrain VQ Power and Delivery

What is causing this clutch issue?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:10 PM
  #1  
cababah's Avatar
cababah
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
From: los angeles, ca
Default What is causing this clutch issue?

I have a 2005 Touring 6-spd 350z with 53,000 miles and recently have noticed that when it is warm outside and I am driving spirited, the clutch lever becomes a lot less resistant than usual. There is normally a free play spot where you push down on the lever and then reach the engagement but when it is warm outside, that free play spot shows almost no resistance and the whole lever just feels abnormally light.

I heard in some cases I should check clutch fluid and possibly drain and replace? Any help would be appreciated, thank you
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:18 PM
  #2  
sdZ33's Avatar
sdZ33
Registered User
iTrader: (39)
 
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,974
Likes: 3
From: San Diego
Default

I suggest you try and search the forums... These guys will eat you alive here for not searching... If you are really worried about it... I think you should take it in to a shop so they can look at it..
Reply
Old Dec 14, 2009 | 09:26 PM
  #3  
cababah's Avatar
cababah
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
From: los angeles, ca
Default

thanks...
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 02:25 AM
  #4  
halfass872's Avatar
halfass872
Registered User
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,741
Likes: 0
From: Virginia Beach, VA.
Default

Search, i heave heard of this problem on here. I, however, have never had to add any fluid to my clutch EVER, in 67,000 miles. I don't even know where i would add it. So i'd suspect if it's low, you have an issue.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 01:17 PM
  #5  
davidv's Avatar
davidv
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 42,753
Likes: 11
From: Tucson, AZ
Default

The clutch will behave differently cold and warm. Its a hydraulic system and all hydraulic systems behave that way. Its your call as to whether performance is acceptable or unacceptable. 53,000 miles and the clutch may just be tired. Difficult to say without taking the clutch apart and checking for wear.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 01:22 PM
  #6  
LuciaPwNs's Avatar
LuciaPwNs
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 795
Likes: 0
From: PA
Default

*Edit* i didnt read that question right...sorry!!!!

Last edited by LuciaPwNs; Dec 16, 2009 at 06:21 AM.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 02:49 PM
  #7  
cababah's Avatar
cababah
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
From: los angeles, ca
Default

bled the fluid and replaced and the problem has yet to show up
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 02:52 PM
  #8  
halfass872's Avatar
halfass872
Registered User
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,741
Likes: 0
From: Virginia Beach, VA.
Default

Originally Posted by cababah
bled the fluid and replaced and the problem has yet to show up
How hard was it to do? Or did you have the dealer do it?
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:02 PM
  #9  
cababah's Avatar
cababah
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
From: los angeles, ca
Default

oops sorry for the X2 post, i had the dealer do it

i live in an apartment complex

Last edited by cababah; Dec 15, 2009 at 03:18 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:12 PM
  #10  
halfass872's Avatar
halfass872
Registered User
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,741
Likes: 0
From: Virginia Beach, VA.
Default

Originally Posted by cababah
bled the fluid and replaced and the problem has yet to show up
Thanks for paying forward! That was helpfull!
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:17 PM
  #11  
JE'S350z's Avatar
JE'S350z
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
From: Jax, FL
Default

It takes like 10 minutes to bleed the clutch on this car and is no different than any other car i have owned (nissan, honda, toyota). Jack up the front end, get and 8mm box end wrench, some small dia. clear tubing (about a foot), and a glass jar and a friend to pump the clutch pedal.

Get under car and attach small tubing to nipple on slave cylinder thats attached to to tranny on the driver side and run it to the jar. have friend pump clutch 5 times then hold to the floor while you release the pressure by turning the nipple with the 8mm wrech. some fluid will come out. then tighten the nipple and have friend release clutch pedal and pull it up off the floor(when you release the pressure the clutch pedal will stick to the floor). Then repeat process until no air bubbles are in the clear tube and the fluid coming out the tube is clean. Make sure to keep an eye on the fluid level under the hood on the driver side under the cover opposite of the battery. You will have to add more a couple of times throughout the process to get all the old fluid out but make sure that it never gets completely dry as that will put more air in the system. add more when its half to 3/4 empty.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:24 PM
  #12  
JE'S350z's Avatar
JE'S350z
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
From: Jax, FL
Default

sorry

Last edited by JE'S350z; Dec 15, 2009 at 03:45 PM. Reason: double post
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:30 PM
  #13  
halfass872's Avatar
halfass872
Registered User
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,741
Likes: 0
From: Virginia Beach, VA.
Default

Originally Posted by JE'S350z
It takes like 10 minutes to bleed the clutch on this car and is no different than any other car i have owned (nissan, honda, toyota). Jack up the front end, get and 8mm box end wrench, some small dia. clear tubing (about a foot), and a glass jar and a friend to pump the clutch pedal.

Get under car and attach small tubing to nipple on slave cylinder thats attached to to tranny on the driver side and run it to the jar. have friend pump clutch 5 times then hold to the floor while you release the pressure by turning the nipple with the 8mm wrech. some fluid will come out. then tighten the nipple and have friend release clutch pedal and pull it up off the floor(when you release the pressure the clutch pedal will stick to the floor). Then repeat process until no air bubbles are in the clear tube and the fluid coming out the tube is clean. Make sure to keep an eye on the fluid level under the hood on the driver side under the cover opposite of the battery. You will have to add more a couple of times throughout the process to get all the old fluid out but make sure that it never gets completely dry as that will put more air in the system. add more when its half to 3/4 empty.
Thanks!!
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:35 PM
  #14  
Vince@R/TTuning's Avatar
Vince@R/TTuning
Vendor - Former Vendor
iTrader: (7)
 
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 505
Likes: 1
From: Lansdale, PA
Default

Originally Posted by cababah
I have a 2005 Touring 6-spd 350z with 53,000 miles and recently have noticed that when it is warm outside and I am driving spirited, the clutch lever becomes a lot less resistant than usual. There is normally a free play spot where you push down on the lever and then reach the engagement but when it is warm outside, that free play spot shows almost no resistance and the whole lever just feels abnormally light.

I heard in some cases I should check clutch fluid and possibly drain and replace? Any help would be appreciated, thank you
Do you have any headers, test pipes, or High flow cats? If you do its a excessive heat issue due to the lack of head shielding on after market exhaust parts in that area. If you do its a pretty common thing to happen when you are using the car for track use or spirited street driving. We here replace the factory clutch line with a Stainless steel line and heat wrap the hard line(on the frame rail nearest to the exhaust) as well as the SS clutch hose. Then we use Motul RBF600 as the fluid cause it has a higher boiling point. Once we usually do that for a customer we never hear of any issues again.

Actually now that i recall we also had to do it on a stock exhaust car that one of our customers used on the track.

Last edited by Vince@R/TTuning; Dec 15, 2009 at 03:42 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:38 PM
  #15  
JE'S350z's Avatar
JE'S350z
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
From: Jax, FL
Default

sorry

Last edited by JE'S350z; Dec 15, 2009 at 03:45 PM. Reason: Double post
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 03:39 PM
  #16  
cababah's Avatar
cababah
Thread Starter
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 41
Likes: 0
From: los angeles, ca
Default

Originally Posted by Vince@R/TTuning
Do you have any headers, test pipes, or High flow cats?
Bone stock.

Originally Posted by JE'S350z
It takes like 10 minutes to bleed the clutch on this car and is no different than any other car i have owned (nissan, honda, toyota). Jack up the front end, get and 8mm box end wrench, some small dia. clear tubing (about a foot), and a glass jar and a friend to pump the clutch pedal.

Get under car and attach small tubing to nipple on slave cylinder thats attached to to tranny on the driver side and run it to the jar. have friend pump clutch 5 times then hold to the floor while you release the pressure by turning the nipple with the 8mm wrech. some fluid will come out. then tighten the nipple and have friend release clutch pedal and pull it up off the floor(when you release the pressure the clutch pedal will stick to the floor). Then repeat process until no air bubbles are in the clear tube and the fluid coming out the tube is clean. Make sure to keep an eye on the fluid level under the hood on the driver side under the cover opposite of the battery. You will have to add more a couple of times throughout the process to get all the old fluid out but make sure that it never gets completely dry as that will put more air in the system. add more when its half to 3/4 empty.
good info for the future, thank you. i don't have any tools right now and a good place to do my own stuff unless i just drive out to a sports park or something around here

Last edited by cababah; Dec 15, 2009 at 03:41 PM.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 05:28 PM
  #17  
Z1 Performance's Avatar
Z1 Performance
Former Sponsor
iTrader: (564)
 
Joined: Feb 2003
Posts: 19,266
Likes: 5
From: Long Island, New York
Default

Originally Posted by halfass872
Search, i heave heard of this problem on here. I, however, have never had to add any fluid to my clutch EVER, in 67,000 miles. I don't even know where i would add it. So i'd suspect if it's low, you have an issue.

then you're long overdue

clutch fluid is brake fluid - resovoirs are next to each other. Both are hygroscopic, meaning they absorb water. As this happens over time, their boiling point falls off dramatically, and their ability to deal with heat goes out the window.
Reply
Old Dec 15, 2009 | 09:47 PM
  #18  
IN350Z's Avatar
IN350Z
Banned
 
Joined: Dec 2009
Posts: 12
Likes: 0
From: MtVernon
Default

maybe pedal is loose
Reply
Old Dec 16, 2009 | 02:32 AM
  #19  
halfass872's Avatar
halfass872
Registered User
iTrader: (35)
 
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,741
Likes: 0
From: Virginia Beach, VA.
Default

Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
then you're long overdue.
Yeah i agree, that's why i asked. It's on my list of things to do in the spring. I was under the impression that it was a PITA so i've been kinda putting it off.
Reply
Old Dec 18, 2009 | 05:49 PM
  #20  
Blooster's Avatar
Blooster
New Member
iTrader: (1)
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,177
Likes: 0
From: Broward County, FL
Default

Motul RBF 600

https://my350z.com/forum/vq35hr/4483...lfways-up.html
Reply
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Colombo
Forced Induction
35
Nov 9, 2020 10:27 AM
sherm
Engine & Drivetrain
15
Apr 11, 2020 05:21 PM
wanderingstuden
Maintenance & Repair
6
Jan 28, 2016 07:03 PM
_bit
New Owners
5
Oct 2, 2015 07:49 AM
350z82
Exterior & Interior
19
Oct 1, 2015 06:25 PM




All times are GMT -8. The time now is 12:49 AM.