B&M Short shifter review....
06-10-2010, 06:59 AM
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It is my personal car at the shop that has the NISMO adjustable short shifter installed and I am the one who actually installed it.
I think I know where the confusion lies here. For some reason you are under the impression that the NISMO adjustable short shifter achieves it's "fictional" shorter throw length by way of a shorter shift lever than the stock unit. If that is your assumption (which it looks to be based on your diagram above) you are incorrect. I have physically held a stock shifter assembly in my hand while holding a NISMO adjustable shifter assembly in the other and the shift levers are indeed the same length. In fact the only design difference between the NISMO adjustable and the stock unit is the adjustable collar that allows the NISMO unit to be adjusted to one of four desired shifter heights.
So essentially the NISMO adjustable short shifter is doing exactly what you have described within your expectations of a short shifter. It lengthens or shortens the distance from the pivot ball to the top of the shifter thereby increasing or decreasing the shift throw length. I hope this brings some clarification to this matter.
As an added point, installation of the NISMO adjustable short shifter required no grinding, cutting or filing. The only things necessary that were not included were two wrench sizes and some grease (I used white lithium as it was the first thing I saw in our shop cabinet).
I think I know where the confusion lies here. For some reason you are under the impression that the NISMO adjustable short shifter achieves it's "fictional" shorter throw length by way of a shorter shift lever than the stock unit. If that is your assumption (which it looks to be based on your diagram above) you are incorrect. I have physically held a stock shifter assembly in my hand while holding a NISMO adjustable shifter assembly in the other and the shift levers are indeed the same length. In fact the only design difference between the NISMO adjustable and the stock unit is the adjustable collar that allows the NISMO unit to be adjusted to one of four desired shifter heights.
So essentially the NISMO adjustable short shifter is doing exactly what you have described within your expectations of a short shifter. It lengthens or shortens the distance from the pivot ball to the top of the shifter thereby increasing or decreasing the shift throw length. I hope this brings some clarification to this matter.
As an added point, installation of the NISMO adjustable short shifter required no grinding, cutting or filing. The only things necessary that were not included were two wrench sizes and some grease (I used white lithium as it was the first thing I saw in our shop cabinet).
Regardless, I bought the TWM performance unit, and I can't wait to get it. Looks like a quality piece and they claim 0 noise or vibration, with a real throw reduction of 37% and a height reduction of 0.25inches which I think is perfect. Should be sweet.
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06-11-2010, 09:22 AM
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there are soo many bad reviews of the B&M. i have one and i love it. It works great and have had no problems with it. I dont know if people cant install it right or what?
06-11-2010, 08:25 PM
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I feel like some are under the impression that the NISMO shifter lever that goes through the pivot ball (pivot point) is collapsible or changeable in length. It is a solid shifter lever that has the ability to slide through the pivot ball. When you shorten the length of the lever on the side above the pivot ball thereby decreasing the shifter's throw for the driver you are simultaneously increasing the length of the lever on the opposite side of the pivot ball (transmission side). This will move the pivot point up or in a positive y- direction if we were looking at it on a graph.
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06-11-2010, 08:55 PM
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I feel like some are under the impression that the NISMO shifter lever that goes through the pivot ball (pivot point) is collapsible or changeable in length. It is a solid shifter lever that has the ability to slide through the pivot ball. When you shorten the length of the lever on the side above the pivot ball thereby decreasing the shifter's throw for the driver you are simultaneously increasing the length of the lever on the opposite side of the pivot ball (transmission side). This will move the pivot point up or in a positive y- direction if we were looking at it on a graph.
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06-11-2010, 08:56 PM
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Op, if you want cheap, then go with Circuit Sports. Kinda notchy and reverse is a pain, but it's def shorter and easy to install. I swapped it for the Nismo and wether or not it's a true short throw (which it is, lol) it'll fool you. Nismo, ftw.
06-11-2010, 09:14 PM
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I feel like some are under the impression that the NISMO shifter lever that goes through the pivot ball (pivot point) is collapsible or changeable in length. It is a solid shifter lever that has the ability to slide through the pivot ball. When you shorten the length of the lever on the side above the pivot ball thereby decreasing the shifter's throw for the driver you are simultaneously increasing the length of the lever on the opposite side of the pivot ball (transmission side). This will move the pivot point up or in a positive y- direction if we were looking at it on a graph.
A little google searching has revealed what I believe to be a similar design. Verify if this is the same method the Nismo unit uses.
06-11-2010, 09:20 PM
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Does anyone make one that retains the length of the drivers end, while extending the transmission end only?
From the looks of it, it seems like it uses a thermoplastic ball-joint. Or is the sliding collar metal as well?
From the looks of it, it seems like it uses a thermoplastic ball-joint. Or is the sliding collar metal as well?
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06-11-2010, 09:36 PM
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I'd have to go back to my car and take another look at it. I do remember the NISMO unit overall being composed of more plastic than the OEM unit. I am almost positive that the ball-joint is plastic as well but I'm not 100%.
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12-22-2010, 10:44 AM
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This spiralled out of control fast lol. In any case, our short shifter has 0 noise, is made completely of steel, guaranteed to fit with no modifications, and is guaranteed for life.
If you would like to check out our review on the different options available for a short shifter for the 350Z/370Z and G35/G37, this thread is great:
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-...rformance.html
Our short shifter can be picked up at this link:
http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm
http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm
Patrick
Team TWM Performance
If you would like to check out our review on the different options available for a short shifter for the 350Z/370Z and G35/G37, this thread is great:
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-...rformance.html
Our short shifter can be picked up at this link:
http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm
http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm
Patrick
Team TWM Performance
12-22-2010, 02:39 PM
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Wow, lots of serious mis-information in this thread, and it's all from the same guy. At least the rest of us have a clue as to what's going on, and understand that you can change the length of either end of the lever to achieve the desired effect. Basic, and I mean really basic, high school level physics.
FWIW, I've had the Nismo shifter in my '08 for several months now, and couldn't be more pleased with it. Simple installation, no slop or vibrations, and while it took me a few days to get used to, the shortest setting feels just perfect for me now. Of course, a shorter lever requires a bit more effort to move, and mine's a little notchy with a cold gearbox (and the appropriate Redline oil), but I'm in Florida and it doesn't get cold here very often. if I had another Z, I'd buy the same shifter again without a second thought.
FWIW, I've had the Nismo shifter in my '08 for several months now, and couldn't be more pleased with it. Simple installation, no slop or vibrations, and while it took me a few days to get used to, the shortest setting feels just perfect for me now. Of course, a shorter lever requires a bit more effort to move, and mine's a little notchy with a cold gearbox (and the appropriate Redline oil), but I'm in Florida and it doesn't get cold here very often. if I had another Z, I'd buy the same shifter again without a second thought.
12-22-2010, 07:19 PM
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i had the B&M unit from pretty much when it was released. version 1 and version 2 (version 2 being the updated reverse nub)
i never had installation issues with it, granted you followed the alignment procedures they suggested and had to file the portion of the shifter assembly on the transmission side to account for the reverse, then everything went fine. slightly notchy to get into gear, but nothing too obnoxious that you couldnt live with.
it was a very short throw vs OEM, some people have complained about buzzing noises under hard WOT, but that sometimes was alieviated by re-adjustment of the gold triangle and changing shift *****. the ball enclosure is self lubricating, so it gets smoother the longer you use it.
i dont understand why you had so many issues with it..
i never had installation issues with it, granted you followed the alignment procedures they suggested and had to file the portion of the shifter assembly on the transmission side to account for the reverse, then everything went fine. slightly notchy to get into gear, but nothing too obnoxious that you couldnt live with.
it was a very short throw vs OEM, some people have complained about buzzing noises under hard WOT, but that sometimes was alieviated by re-adjustment of the gold triangle and changing shift *****. the ball enclosure is self lubricating, so it gets smoother the longer you use it.
i dont understand why you had so many issues with it..
I put it in with a floor jack on my garage floor. No issues whatsoever with the installation. Took well under an hour.
The shifter itself is tighter than stock with less free play and sloppyness.
The shift pattern is also tighter feeling, and more precise feeling.
It does not rattle or make any noise.
Over all I'm extremely happy with it and I would give it a 10/10.
12-24-2010, 07:36 PM
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I can vouch for the TWM shifter, 1st mod I did on my Z and absolutely love it, installed perfectly, tightened up shifts a lot, and just the right amount of throw reduction.
This spiralled out of control fast lol. In any case, our short shifter has 0 noise, is made completely of steel, guaranteed to fit with no modifications, and is guaranteed for life.
If you would like to check out our review on the different options available for a short shifter for the 350Z/370Z and G35/G37, this thread is great:
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-...rformance.html
Our short shifter can be picked up at this link:
http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm
http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm
Patrick
Team TWM Performance
If you would like to check out our review on the different options available for a short shifter for the 350Z/370Z and G35/G37, this thread is great:
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-...rformance.html
Our short shifter can be picked up at this link:
http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm
http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm
Patrick
Team TWM Performance
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