Best bang for the buck oil cooler?
oh, bum deal jeffie. You should definitely get the wider one. It's the 41 series. It's 13" wide. If you look on earl's charts for thermal capacity going from the smaller one to the wider one you gain tons more heat dissipation than going with more rows. I think you have to double your rows of the small one to be close to that of half of the rows of the wider one.
You should just send it back to summit and get a 41610. Mine is only a 10row. It's the 41010. The chart on earl's website in their catalouge is really helpful for finding the one with the right heat dissipation for your application. I'm a 10 row medium width (4 series) and it keeps my temps under 200* when i'm full boost giving it hell and around 100* ambient temps. This is with a 6765. So that should be plenty for your PL kit.
Now you purchased a mocal plate and it's all pitted? Take some pics. I'm sure you could send it back and get it exchanged. Mine is a perfectly machined surface. There wasn't a single flaw in it. I would definitely exchange it. Sounds like you got a bad one.
ps: i like my 10 row but i'm waiting to find a larger one from earl's in the medium. The one i want is like 140$ so i'm gonna wait til amazon puts it on sale. I'll need it once i tune high boost on e85.
You should just send it back to summit and get a 41610. Mine is only a 10row. It's the 41010. The chart on earl's website in their catalouge is really helpful for finding the one with the right heat dissipation for your application. I'm a 10 row medium width (4 series) and it keeps my temps under 200* when i'm full boost giving it hell and around 100* ambient temps. This is with a 6765. So that should be plenty for your PL kit.
Now you purchased a mocal plate and it's all pitted? Take some pics. I'm sure you could send it back and get it exchanged. Mine is a perfectly machined surface. There wasn't a single flaw in it. I would definitely exchange it. Sounds like you got a bad one.
ps: i like my 10 row but i'm waiting to find a larger one from earl's in the medium. The one i want is like 140$ so i'm gonna wait til amazon puts it on sale. I'll need it once i tune high boost on e85.
The other thing is my front bumper cover doesn't have any openings larger then the cooler so its not like it will get added air going to it unless I mount it farther back. I'd like to mount it flush with the bumper cover just like my I/C.
As far as the plate goes, being used with a rubber oring I dont see it leaking but it does seem weird that its marked up a bit, its not deep but enough where your finger nail will catch the rough spots.
mine is perfectly smooth machined.
and like i put those charts for you, the wider the cooler the better the cooling. It takes 2.5 times the rows to equal the next side up wider.
so like a narrow 20 row would be still be less coolilng than a wide 10 row.
Look at the thermal charts. ALso, it doesn't matter if it's in direct contact with air or not. There is a lot more airflow in there than you think. Like my closed from g35 bumper and my huge intercooler. I stay at 8* above ambient cruising and there is almost none of my intercooler showing. At 14psi of boost and hard runs it still only gets to like 130* and once i stop boosting it takes no more than 5 seconds to drop temps back down close to ambient.
the wide coolers fit perfect on our vehicles just like i have in teh picture i posted of mine. Works great.
and like i put those charts for you, the wider the cooler the better the cooling. It takes 2.5 times the rows to equal the next side up wider.
so like a narrow 20 row would be still be less coolilng than a wide 10 row.
Look at the thermal charts. ALso, it doesn't matter if it's in direct contact with air or not. There is a lot more airflow in there than you think. Like my closed from g35 bumper and my huge intercooler. I stay at 8* above ambient cruising and there is almost none of my intercooler showing. At 14psi of boost and hard runs it still only gets to like 130* and once i stop boosting it takes no more than 5 seconds to drop temps back down close to ambient.
the wide coolers fit perfect on our vehicles just like i have in teh picture i posted of mine. Works great.
I'v been thinking of going with a dual cooler, oil and replace the factory PS cooler in one..
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRM-3311/?rtype=10
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PRM-3311/?rtype=10
whats the temp of the ps fluid vs oil? whats the typical difference??
doing a dual fluid systems in one core makes the core itself heat up to whichever fluid is hotter, thus warming up the other and leaving them at a set range of temp.....
best to isolate both systems and mounting two for the most part is doable..
only time systems like that are used are off road rigs up north, etc...when they wanna warm up tranny fluid with another, etc type situation...
-J
Am i correct in assuming a small 10 row like in the Mishimoto kit would be more than adequate for an N/A setup?
Also, thermo spacer not needed? Plus, i live in the dirty south anyway. Jason can account for the fact we might as well be in an African desert down here.
Also, thermo spacer not needed? Plus, i live in the dirty south anyway. Jason can account for the fact we might as well be in an African desert down here.
for an n/a setup you prob would be fine without anything unless you road race.
Even with my vortech at 507hp my oil temps were fine with no cooler even up into 100* days in the midwest. Now that i'm turbo i'm wanting to keep the oil a little cooler than normal and i'll be pumping out a lot more hp so i wnated to be safe.
so basically, yes, a small core will be plenty since the oil on an n/a system doesn't really rise that much unless it's during a road race.
Even with my vortech at 507hp my oil temps were fine with no cooler even up into 100* days in the midwest. Now that i'm turbo i'm wanting to keep the oil a little cooler than normal and i'll be pumping out a lot more hp so i wnated to be safe.
so basically, yes, a small core will be plenty since the oil on an n/a system doesn't really rise that much unless it's during a road race.
Looks like they are both the same thickness.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-41610ERL/
Only difference is length.
I'm FI with 420WHP
Hmmmmm what to do what to do.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-41610ERL/
Only difference is length.
I'm FI with 420WHP
Hmmmmm what to do what to do.
Looks like they are both the same thickness.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-41610ERL/
Only difference is length.
I'm FI with 420WHP
Hmmmmm what to do what to do.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/EAR-41610ERL/
Only difference is length.
I'm FI with 420WHP
Hmmmmm what to do what to do.
If your temps werent' bad to begin with then i wouldn't worry about it. Any cooler will have a helping hand so you're goign to be better than you were before.
IMHO the thing to look out for is if the filter relocation and cooler have a built in thermostats,
should you upgrade your pan or use a spacer to add a little more oil since this cooler will take some of the existing oil???
should you upgrade your pan or use a spacer to add a little more oil since this cooler will take some of the existing oil???
Oil cooler is being sent back, I have the EAR-41910ERL on its way, that's a 5x13x2? 16 row.
I showed Frank at hills garage my sandwich plate and he said what I figured he's say, that it should be sanded down, its an easy fix. Since I did buy it new I'm going to request a new one. He said it might catch and rip the oring on the filter. Better safe then sorry.
I showed Frank at hills garage my sandwich plate and he said what I figured he's say, that it should be sanded down, its an easy fix. Since I did buy it new I'm going to request a new one. He said it might catch and rip the oring on the filter. Better safe then sorry.
Oil cooler is being sent back, I have the EAR-41910ERL on its way, that's a 5x13x2? 16 row.
I showed Frank at hills garage my sandwich plate and he said what I figured he's say, that it should be sanded down, its an easy fix. Since I did buy it new I'm going to request a new one. He said it might catch and rip the oring on the filter. Better safe then sorry.
I showed Frank at hills garage my sandwich plate and he said what I figured he's say, that it should be sanded down, its an easy fix. Since I did buy it new I'm going to request a new one. He said it might catch and rip the oring on the filter. Better safe then sorry.
You'll be well cooled with that one you have sine my 6765 at 14psi in 100* weather works well and i'm only using a 10 row of that same cooler.
and yes, it's a very wise idea to send back that sandwich plate. Mine is perfectly smooth and shiny so you must have just received a bad one.
Use high temp thread sealant? Here's a good write up on fittings...
http://www.mechanicsupport.com/articleFittingTight.html.
http://www.mechanicsupport.com/articleFittingTight.html.
