Auto Vs. Manual transmission
your also not going to the Z auto trans, the manual makes more usable power to the wheels, you can run big drag radials on manuals that isnt a manual vs auto thing that is a transmission strength thing nothing is stopping you from running them on a manual, like i said before the "manual" shift isnt immediate im guessing your going to a 4l60e or similar at your power level............. your gona be disappointed at your slower shifts, the only way for you to completely control your shift point is to put a manual valve body in..........which if you do that your shifts are fully manual and the transmission no longer shifts automatically.
you arnt switching because auto is better your switching because of convenience.if auto actually was better nascar, f1, indy, le mans, add another racing league in here....... would all use autos but they dont every single one uses traditional manuals or dual clutch manuals
you arnt switching because auto is better your switching because of convenience.if auto actually was better nascar, f1, indy, le mans, add another racing league in here....... would all use autos but they dont every single one uses traditional manuals or dual clutch manuals
i cant wait to get rid of my 6mt and swap in an auto.
no more grabby clutch, no more boost drop between shifts, no more stress on hwy traffic jams. hello transbrake, big drag radials with no wheel hop
an electronic auto give you paddle manual shifting or normal shift lever shifting all without having to push in the clutch. You are still in control of the shift point when you want to be, and the computer controls them when you just wanna cruise.
How could a manual be better?
no more grabby clutch, no more boost drop between shifts, no more stress on hwy traffic jams. hello transbrake, big drag radials with no wheel hop
an electronic auto give you paddle manual shifting or normal shift lever shifting all without having to push in the clutch. You are still in control of the shift point when you want to be, and the computer controls them when you just wanna cruise.
How could a manual be better?
I have 2 cars, and both are MT.
My daily driver B13 Sentra is a MT, and I got it in MT for several reasons:
1. Only feel comfortable driving a MT
2. Easier to control, especially since I have no ABS. Have a MT saved my *** a couple times in the snow and rain
3. Maintenance is much cheaper. I have learned this from a friend who has owned many beaters. The problem is that once the car is high mileage, there is a good chance that tranny will eventually give out, incurring a huge cost where it makes sense to junk the car most of the time. In a MT car with high mileage, usually the clutch will go instead of the tranny or other parts, which happened in my case. Got a clutch for $70.
4. Goes hand in hand with #3. When I test drove the car, I knew exactly what I was getting into. I felt that the clutch was a little spongy and would eventually go, but the synchros felt great and the whole tranny felt strong. An AT can give out without notice, which my friend had happen to him actually on the way home from picking up one of the beaters (damn Acura tranny!!)
Many people say that AT is much more comfortable and driving a MT is sometimes a PITA, but when you drive it for so long, you don't even realize you are doing it. Countless times I have almost broken my ankle from getting in my fiance's car and going to hit the "clutch" to start the car and end up catching the edge of the dead pedal. It becomes second nature.
My daily driver B13 Sentra is a MT, and I got it in MT for several reasons:
1. Only feel comfortable driving a MT
2. Easier to control, especially since I have no ABS. Have a MT saved my *** a couple times in the snow and rain
3. Maintenance is much cheaper. I have learned this from a friend who has owned many beaters. The problem is that once the car is high mileage, there is a good chance that tranny will eventually give out, incurring a huge cost where it makes sense to junk the car most of the time. In a MT car with high mileage, usually the clutch will go instead of the tranny or other parts, which happened in my case. Got a clutch for $70.
4. Goes hand in hand with #3. When I test drove the car, I knew exactly what I was getting into. I felt that the clutch was a little spongy and would eventually go, but the synchros felt great and the whole tranny felt strong. An AT can give out without notice, which my friend had happen to him actually on the way home from picking up one of the beaters (damn Acura tranny!!)
Many people say that AT is much more comfortable and driving a MT is sometimes a PITA, but when you drive it for so long, you don't even realize you are doing it. Countless times I have almost broken my ankle from getting in my fiance's car and going to hit the "clutch" to start the car and end up catching the edge of the dead pedal. It becomes second nature.
your also not going to the Z auto trans, the manual makes more usable power to the wheels, you can run big drag radials on manuals that isnt a manual vs auto thing that is a transmission strength thing nothing is stopping you from running them on a manual, like i said before the "manual" shift isnt immediate im guessing your going to a 4l60e or similar at your power level............. your gona be disappointed at your slower shifts, the only way for you to completely control your shift point is to put a manual valve body in..........which if you do that your shifts are fully manual and the transmission no longer shifts automatically.
you arnt switching because auto is better your switching because of convenience.if auto actually was better nascar, f1, indy, le mans, add another racing league in here....... would all use autos but they dont every single one uses traditional manuals or dual clutch manuals
you arnt switching because auto is better your switching because of convenience.if auto actually was better nascar, f1, indy, le mans, add another racing league in here....... would all use autos but they dont every single one uses traditional manuals or dual clutch manuals
my bad i thought they had moved to dual clutch manuals this year..... ok well there we go still using a traditional(however highly modified) traditional manual
i know lemans uses em to this is going to be the first year of them using the carbon fiber transmission housings
i know lemans uses em to this is going to be the first year of them using the carbon fiber transmission housings
The last I heard, F1 does not utilize the dual clutch manual transmission. It has a very small single carbon fiber clutch. Here is a brief explanation of how that transmission works...........http://scarbsf1.com/transmissions.html
So you're illiterate too? I swapped transmissions in my car to a cd009. Cd009 with a spec super twin, rjm clutch pedal, stainless lines and 3.3 FD.
They're not incomparable. They're the same goddamn chassis. They're both modified, what you paid for your exhaust is more than what I paid for the material and fab on my turbo kit. You're a giant puss talking out his ***. Stop talking sh** about automatics and convertibles.
They're not incomparable. They're the same goddamn chassis. They're both modified, what you paid for your exhaust is more than what I paid for the material and fab on my turbo kit. You're a giant puss talking out his ***. Stop talking sh** about automatics and convertibles.
So I should be ashamed of buying a quality part? That is the dumbest comment you can really make. Ahh man I should have bought a cheap replica exhaust from ebay instead. What an idiot I am!
Good for you that you make alot of power. Comparing our cars is apples to oranges.
At the end of the day, the comparison that we are having is between an AT and a MT, both stock or same level of mods.
And realistically, I would rather have my car then yours, because I can never own an AT car. So far all 3 of my cars have been MT and until I can afford a supercar, I will always own a MT.
I have driven high horsepower AT cars and MT cars with less horsepower are much more fun, in my opinion.
Good for you that you make alot of power. Comparing our cars is apples to oranges.
At the end of the day, the comparison that we are having is between an AT and a MT, both stock or same level of mods.
And realistically, I would rather have my car then yours, because I can never own an AT car. So far all 3 of my cars have been MT and until I can afford a supercar, I will always own a MT.
I have driven high horsepower AT cars and MT cars with less horsepower are much more fun, in my opinion.
i cant wait to get rid of my 6mt and swap in an auto.
no more grabby clutch, no more boost drop between shifts, no more stress on hwy traffic jams. hello transbrake, big drag radials with no wheel hop
an electronic auto give you paddle manual shifting or normal shift lever shifting all without having to push in the clutch. You are still in control of the shift point when you want to be, and the computer controls them when you just wanna cruise.
How could a manual be better?
no more grabby clutch, no more boost drop between shifts, no more stress on hwy traffic jams. hello transbrake, big drag radials with no wheel hop
an electronic auto give you paddle manual shifting or normal shift lever shifting all without having to push in the clutch. You are still in control of the shift point when you want to be, and the computer controls them when you just wanna cruise.
How could a manual be better?
Agreed.
Built Auto>manual 99% of the time. If only the re5 could be built to hold power.
One day though I'm going to get the Ikeya Shifter for my tranny and setup flat foot shifting. Closest I'll get.
No manual can keep up with transmissions like the GTR's. You need auto to keep up, AND hook up. If you've got manual, you better get driver mod and a few more hundred HP than the GTR you want to beat.
Last edited by Resmarted; Jul 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM.
your also not going to the Z auto trans, the manual makes more usable power to the wheels, you can run big drag radials on manuals that isnt a manual vs auto thing that is a transmission strength thing nothing is stopping you from running them on a manual, like i said before the "manual" shift isnt immediate im guessing your going to a 4l60e or similar at your power level............. your gona be disappointed at your slower shifts, the only way for you to completely control your shift point is to put a manual valve body in..........which if you do that your shifts are fully manual and the transmission no longer shifts automatically.
you arnt switching because auto is better your switching because of convenience.if auto actually was better nascar, f1, indy, le mans, add another racing league in here....... would all use autos but they dont every single one uses traditional manuals or dual clutch manuals
you arnt switching because auto is better your switching because of convenience.if auto actually was better nascar, f1, indy, le mans, add another racing league in here....... would all use autos but they dont every single one uses traditional manuals or dual clutch manuals
IE the ls460 transmission... If you could get a built one of those and a nice tall FD good lord would that be awesome (8 speeds forward).
I have 2 cars, and both are MT.
My daily driver B13 Sentra is a MT, and I got it in MT for several reasons:
1. Only feel comfortable driving a MT
2. Easier to control, especially since I have no ABS. Have a MT saved my *** a couple times in the snow and rain
3. Maintenance is much cheaper. I have learned this from a friend who has owned many beaters. The problem is that once the car is high mileage, there is a good chance that tranny will eventually give out, incurring a huge cost where it makes sense to junk the car most of the time. In a MT car with high mileage, usually the clutch will go instead of the tranny or other parts, which happened in my case. Got a clutch for $70.
4. Goes hand in hand with #3. When I test drove the car, I knew exactly what I was getting into. I felt that the clutch was a little spongy and would eventually go, but the synchros felt great and the whole tranny felt strong. An AT can give out without notice, which my friend had happen to him actually on the way home from picking up one of the beaters (damn Acura tranny!!)
Many people say that AT is much more comfortable and driving a MT is sometimes a PITA, but when you drive it for so long, you don't even realize you are doing it. Countless times I have almost broken my ankle from getting in my fiance's car and going to hit the "clutch" to start the car and end up catching the edge of the dead pedal. It becomes second nature.
My daily driver B13 Sentra is a MT, and I got it in MT for several reasons:
1. Only feel comfortable driving a MT
2. Easier to control, especially since I have no ABS. Have a MT saved my *** a couple times in the snow and rain
3. Maintenance is much cheaper. I have learned this from a friend who has owned many beaters. The problem is that once the car is high mileage, there is a good chance that tranny will eventually give out, incurring a huge cost where it makes sense to junk the car most of the time. In a MT car with high mileage, usually the clutch will go instead of the tranny or other parts, which happened in my case. Got a clutch for $70.
4. Goes hand in hand with #3. When I test drove the car, I knew exactly what I was getting into. I felt that the clutch was a little spongy and would eventually go, but the synchros felt great and the whole tranny felt strong. An AT can give out without notice, which my friend had happen to him actually on the way home from picking up one of the beaters (damn Acura tranny!!)
Many people say that AT is much more comfortable and driving a MT is sometimes a PITA, but when you drive it for so long, you don't even realize you are doing it. Countless times I have almost broken my ankle from getting in my fiance's car and going to hit the "clutch" to start the car and end up catching the edge of the dead pedal. It becomes second nature.
Automatics make the best dailies. Around here we have more hills than flat area. I watch people slip every day around town. There are certain routes that you drive where you literally wont find a single manual car because the hills are too steep and nobody wants to get caught at a light on.
Manuals might be more "fun" if you're racing, but if I'm racing I'd rather WIN than have FUN. Seriously, I would.
the GTR dosnt use a auto though lol i already covered that
those dual clutch manuals have a ton of problems to, ill take a non breaking 6mt all day and racing more often then racing once in awhile and breaking autos or once in awhile and spending 30k on transmission rebuilds
also again you dont see ANY racers outside of drag using auto's the autos run slower they are just consistent. consistency is the ONLY reason they are ran because you dont win from speed in bracket racing you win from consistency. you dont see vipers rocking autos do you? considering they spend 50k on high end enco trannys they can get a auto installed.
those dual clutch manuals have a ton of problems to, ill take a non breaking 6mt all day and racing more often then racing once in awhile and breaking autos or once in awhile and spending 30k on transmission rebuilds
also again you dont see ANY racers outside of drag using auto's the autos run slower they are just consistent. consistency is the ONLY reason they are ran because you dont win from speed in bracket racing you win from consistency. you dont see vipers rocking autos do you? considering they spend 50k on high end enco trannys they can get a auto installed.
Agreed.
Built Auto>manual 99% of the time. If only the re5 could be built to hold power.
One day though I'm going to get the Ikeya Shifter for my tranny and setup flat foot shifting. Closest I'll get.
No manual can keep up with transmissions like the GTR's. You need auto to keep up, AND hook up. If you've got manual, you better get driver mod and a few more hundred HP than the GTR you want to beat.
Built Auto>manual 99% of the time. If only the re5 could be built to hold power.
One day though I'm going to get the Ikeya Shifter for my tranny and setup flat foot shifting. Closest I'll get.
No manual can keep up with transmissions like the GTR's. You need auto to keep up, AND hook up. If you've got manual, you better get driver mod and a few more hundred HP than the GTR you want to beat.
Last edited by jerryd87; Jul 26, 2013 at 01:23 PM.
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So you're illiterate too? I swapped transmissions in my car to a cd009. Cd009 with a spec super twin, rjm clutch pedal, stainless lines and 3.3 FD.
They're not incomparable. They're the same goddamn chassis. They're both modified, what you paid for your exhaust is more than what I paid for the material and fab on my turbo kit. You're a giant puss talking out his ***. Stop talking sh** about automatics and convertibles.
They're not incomparable. They're the same goddamn chassis. They're both modified, what you paid for your exhaust is more than what I paid for the material and fab on my turbo kit. You're a giant puss talking out his ***. Stop talking sh** about automatics and convertibles.
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I have completely different feelings about all of this but i care not to stretch the argument out...shoot me for not needing to feel in touch with the vehicle every time I get behind the wheel lol. I think the driving experience is relative from person to person. A well maintained AT can last just as long as an MT with similar repair costs if/when need be.
yahhhhhh completely wrong, a MT has a clutch which requires removal to replace, the clutch packs and bands inside a auto has the same service life as a clutch and requires a COMPLETE rebuild of the transmission or they simply dont work that is hardly similar repair costs. autos cost FAR more to repair, require actual transmission repair more frequently, dont handle as much power with out modification, absorb more power, have more parts and components, are heavier. this comment really shows you dont work on cars or have never really had to have anything repair in the subject. autos where made for one purpose thats to appeal to the masses and people like my wife who are just looking for simple operation they have no performance advantage. tranny brake? thats literally the only thing people can claim, i have 2 step or anti lag but your not gona hook on either without some major tires and wheels which most people cant fit on the car anyway due to brakes. traffic driving? sure got that its easier but nothing stops you from driving a manual other then convenience but who drives a sports car for convenience? gas milage alone says that is a poor as excuse. they definitely dont post any more impressive times
I have completely different feelings about all of this but i care not to stretch the argument out...shoot me for not needing to feel in touch with the vehicle every time I get behind the wheel lol. I think the driving experience is relative from person to person. A well maintained AT can last just as long as an MT with similar repair costs if/when need be.
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Lack of maturity and plain ignorance with many members on here, despite how slow some of their cars actually are. Then again, the OP's argument was completely wrong and he doesn't know WTF he's talking about. Threads like this are always the same.
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I think we should move to what some other forums have adopted, newer users need approval by moderators before the thread gets created.
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You want it to be closed because you look really bad right now. You make offensive/stupid claims, get utterly sh** on and now want to back away.
Anyway, don't talk sh*t about roadsters or automatics, when you don't know a single thing about these cars. Keep enjoying your <240whp and your overpriced stock exhaust. Keep racing around in your manual, which I'm willing to bet you couldn't even drive worth a sh**.
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You want it to be closed because you look really bad right now. You make offensive/stupid claims, get utterly sh** on and now want to back away.
Anyway, don't talk sh*t about roadsters or automatics, when you don't know a single thing about these cars. Keep enjoying your <240whp and your overpriced stock exhaust. Keep racing around in your manual, which I'm willing to bet you couldn't even drive worth a sh**.
Anyway, don't talk sh*t about roadsters or automatics, when you don't know a single thing about these cars. Keep enjoying your <240whp and your overpriced stock exhaust. Keep racing around in your manual, which I'm willing to bet you couldn't even drive worth a sh**.
I would love to know how your setup cost a grand, which if it did, it is garbage.
I got the Nismo exhaust because I am still in warranty and had bad experiences with my last car, which I built and realized it was a big waste of money.
Yea dude I can't drive at all, I jsut suck at life and I'm going to go crawl under a rock now.