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Old 04-07-2014, 06:07 PM
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I bought my 350z off of someone last summer and not much is known about the history of it. According to the VIN number, this 350 was manufactured with an automatic transmission but somewhere along the way, someone swapped it out to a manual transmission. Are there any repercussions of this? Because at about 55mph in 6th gear, I'm already at about 3000 rpms and was wondering if this was normal for all you manual drivers out there?

Thanks so much for any help you all can provide!
Old 04-07-2014, 06:12 PM
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Post pics of the dash, center console, and VIN plate. Seems a doubtful scenario.
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Here goes! Sorry, it's late and rainy over here so this is the best I could do tonight. The steering wheel even still has the cruise control buttons on them!



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Originally Posted by kapaobao
The steering wheel even still has the cruise control buttons on them!
lol what?? That's the only place they put them.
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lol what?? That's the only place they put them.
Yeah, definitely! But I thought cars that came with an original manual transmission wouldn't have a cruise control function? Maybe that's just a stupid thought. We also found the automatic shifter cable still attached and when pulled, it still made a shifting noise.

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Doesn't show the details I was looking for, and to do the job right is just way too complex. The ECU is different, as is the dash and console, the differential ratio, and so on, including the flywheel/clutch, MC and slave, underbody brackets and bracing, etc. Really not economically feasible.

My best guess would be someone just changed the differential ring and pinion gears to a 4.08 setup, which would explain the high engine revs as compared to a stock 6MT Z. That's a cheap and simple mod to improve acceleration, at the expense of engine revs and gas mileage.
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Originally Posted by dcains
Doesn't show the details I was looking for, and to do the job right is just way too complex. The ECU is different, as is the dash and console, the differential ratio, and so on, including the flywheel/clutch, MC and slave, underbody brackets and bracing, etc. Really not economically feasible.

My best guess would be someone just changed the differential ring and pinion gears to a 4.08 setup, which would explain the high engine revs as compared to a stock 6MT Z. That's a cheap and simple mod to improve acceleration, at the expense of engine revs and gas mileage.
Is there something else I can give you to help with the details that you're looking for? Also, I used the VIN decoder on this site and it confirmed that this car was originally an automatic transmission. The only concern I have is the high rpms in 6th gear which is hopefully explained by your theory.
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Originally Posted by kapaobao
Yeah, definitely! But I thought cars that came with an original manual transmission wouldn't have a cruise control function? Maybe that's just a stupid thought. We also found the automatic shifter cable still attached and when pulled, it still made a shifting noise.
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I was curious to see if the speedo had been changed, since the AT cars have the shift indicator LCD window at the bottom of the gauge. The console is an MT console, though. The VIN plate on my '08 shows more info, such as the engine/trans/axle type, which yours doesn't. I don't know, just seems like a long shot that someone would do all that work, unless two trashed cars were put together to make one good car Even the radiator is different, the pedal box, brake pedal assembly, wiring for the clutch safety switch, the list just goes on.
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Originally Posted by dcains
I was curious to see if the speedo had been changed, since the AT cars have the shift indicator LCD window at the bottom of the gauge. The console is an MT console, though. The VIN plate on my '08 shows more info, such as the engine/trans/axle type, which yours doesn't. I don't know, just seems like a long shot that someone would do all that work, unless two trashed cars were put together to make one good car Even the radiator is different, the pedal box, brake pedal assembly, wiring for the clutch safety switch, the list just goes on.
Yeah, I gotcha. Thanks so much for your help!
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Originally Posted by SR71
Definitely the latter lol
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"According to the VIN number"

Where did you look it up where it mentions it had an automatic transmission?
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Originally Posted by Suwaidi
"According to the VIN number"

Where did you look it up where it mentions it had an automatic transmission?
The VIN decoder under the Tool's tab on this site.
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Originally Posted by kapaobao
The VIN decoder under the Tool's tab on this site.
oh snap theres a tools tab!
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Originally Posted by npr350z
oh snap theres a tools tab!
Yeah lol I'm still pretty new to this site and I was just wandering around. It's pretty cool.
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hey home slice, 4th digit a means auto. like 100% on that.
does the vin in the engine bay and window match the sticker you took a picture of?
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Regardless of whether it was originally a 5AT or not, it sounds like they put a 3.9 or 4.08 final drive gear in the diff. That's the plausible explanation for the elevated RPM. If it was an auto trans car and the stock auto 3.3 gear was left in, your RPM would be lower after the 6MT swap; not higher.

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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Regardless of whether it was originally a 5AT or not, it sounds like they put a 3.9 or 4.08 final drive gear in the diff. That's the plausible explanation for the elevated RPM. If it was an auto trans car and the stock auto 3.3 gear was left in, your RPM would be lower after the 6MT swap; not higher.
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Originally Posted by npr350z
hey home slice, 4th digit a means auto. like 100% on that.
does the vin in the engine bay and window match the sticker you took a picture of?
I'll have to check tomorrow morning but the sticker I took the pic of, the plate and the VIN number under the hood all match so far that I've noticed.
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Originally Posted by RudeG_v2.0
Regardless of whether it was originally a 5AT or not, it sounds like they put a 3.9 or 4.08 final drive gear in the diff. That's the plausible explanation for the elevated RPM. If it was an auto trans car and the stock auto 3.3 gear was left in, your RPM would be lower after the 6MT swap; not higher.
Is there a way to get rid of the 4.08 differential? Thanks!


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