Ok....... im not the one withthe problem with people posting here lol



Go look again. I'm not the one throwing a fit about members posting threads or topics that "aren't up to" other members "standards" or worth of posting in this forum with out being insulted or thread crapped.....


And then we wonder why the forum has 30k registered memebers and only 2k active users....

 

okay for your thread

- it is a heavy pig
- it is a 6 cylinder that is capable of making power
- only makes decent power if FI

can the car be fast, yes... but not without spending a lot of money

 

Ok thank you.

That's all I was asking. But for a civil car guy conversation. I can't just go out and meet with members/350 guys via a bar and shoot the ****. So this is the best we got to drum up Z talk with Z owners/people.

But everytime I try to just talk Z stuff, people get pissy and start getting upset and take everything up the a** and personal then start attacking everyone and each other like its a burdon to talk about Z's or anything for that matter.


Let's just f***ing talk Z's. Isn't that not why we all signed up and sign in?

 

i know some have put together meets (i used to do them here in dallas), would be best to check regional section to see or organize your own.... great way to meet different people

 

even cleaned up my posts for ya.....




don't get too used to it

 

If you want to see 'fast' VQ's just go look in the FI forum, all your proof is there. I have yet to personally see anybody swap a RB/2JZ in the Z without at LEAST pushing more psi and making more power than those motors otherwise would push from factory - so obviously those Z's would be faster than a stock VQ when they have like 350+ rwhp vs. 220whp-ish of a stock VQ. Simple physics, nothing more - as I said, be reasonable and understand your own question you are asking.

Stock 350 vs Stock boost 2JZ swap @ high altitude - My money is on the 2JZ swap
Stock 350 vs. Stock boost 2JZ swap @ sea level - My money is on the VQ

I don't think a lot of people on this board want to talk about 'why are Z's so slow' on a Z enthusiast forum though. As a consumer you get to pick what car you want to get into. You picked a Z as your project car - since you identified a gap with its performance compared to what you want it at - do something about it instead of posting hypothetical flame bait.

Would it be amazing to get Nissan to make a damn 370z with a VR38DETT, hell yes, would it cost like $70,000... probably, pricing out of a lot of our reaches - so here we are with our Z's doing our thing.

 

It's funny you say that tho. Literally a couple min ago came across a string of 1,000 HP VQ (built bottoms ends obviously) and a bunch of 10 sec FI Z's videos. Pretty cool to see them ripping.

And it wasn't flame bait really. I just bought one thinking they were solid sports cars with some good get up. And a step up from the G series since the G has the focus on luxuries. But I was kind of surprised to see a ton of videos when I first got my as, of Z's getting spanked left and right by stock mustangs and stuff.

I was like crap what did I get my self into. But like you said im finally getting youtube to start showing me some FI Z's and finally seeing some good solid power cars and what im looking for with mine. Some even pulling out on more modest JZ's.

Like I said to trav, I don't exactly have a bar or local meet I can just go to and talk Z's to Z guys. So I come here to talk Z and shoot the sh** and learn some stuff while I'm at it. At least till I get mine built and can hopefully start meeting guys at track days and stuff.

 

Oh I definitely recall the Z's getting spanked left and right. When I first got mine my buddies STi (and Evo's I raced back in '03) was slower, then he eventually went more boost and it was all over for my NA Z at that point (nismo cams, plenum, headers, exhaust, untuned but still dyno'd ~260 vs 220ish). It's always easier for those cars to relatively make more power by going outside the intended boost level. Granted they have their limits, my buddy was like mid 4's on his STi, and IIRC the subbies tytpically have to go built to get to 500+ reliable due to the pistons.

It took a lot of saving but I eventually ran my Z with a Greddy kit 16G at 510 whp/tq for a long time and it was a blast, never had anything on the street ever beat it, only one car could hang with me at the time and that was a buddy in his heavily built Talon at 500+awhp. It was a fun time particularly when I ate up a Viper and a contingent of Corvettes racing on I-25 in between Denver/CS. Anybody that FI's their Z immediately understands that they should have come from factory like that.

Maybe it's cause Nissan wants to keep their GTR untouched for the high performance realm, who knows, it would of been nice to see Nissan do a 300ZX TT option again to cause havoc with all the other imports and domestics, alas it's yet to be.

The VQ when boosted is a beautiful thing, it just takes a lot of money to get it there, but once it's there, it's hard for a lot of cars to beat it. Right now mine is only at 57x whp and I've yet to ever encounter a car on the road just normal day to day that could beat it - but it is funny to watch them try

 

You running the standard DE?


Have you touched the internals? I want to look heavily into FI, but am scared of the DE rods giving and me meeting to dig deep into the block, and deep into my wallet to keep it running.


Edit: never mind I just saw your sig.

 

I ran DE rods with 510 for a long time without issue, and a friend at the time while I lived in Denver ran his on C16 at 630whp. Both of us were stock blocks at the time. Just good tuning I'd say is needed. Although to be fair in those days there was a lot of blown motors, but the tuning solutions weren't great like they are now with Haltech, etc.

 

Swapping 2jz is even more than building VQ to hold 800+ hp
And at the end you will have to build 2jz or it might fail
Also you wont pass any inspection with standalone if you go with 2jz
VQ is proven to make huge power when build and its free with your car...and sounds awesome
VQ has potential just needs $$ like any other car trust me you want to make 500whp in evo and sti? You need a lot of mods or go straight to t3/t4 turbo kit and build engine and everything else that you would do to get z to the same level

 

Yea it's the Internet after all. Not 100% faith. I feel like I could probably push that "420 max HP". But sometimes I wonder where it would give. Id hate to murder my 350 just cause I wanted that extra PSI.

 

Yea that's one thing I've learned after shopping what motor/car build I wanted to get into. No speed is ever free. Weather you go NA, turbo, 4 cyl or 10, just about every one ends up in the end about the same price at 400, 500, 900 and 1500 hp...

Pricing it all out like I said it seems what ever your power/speed goal is you get a budget 4 banger motor and tank it up, you spend as much as a motor that comes built enough like a LSX that handles it before mods are even needed. Which is why I chose VQ over a Miata or LSX motor. Each one end up being just about the same price to get each other to the same power levels.

 

Ok got a little mixed up there, I knew in the back of my mind we wern't exactly 50/50 in the weight more like 52/48. Even still doubling the weight of the motor would be felt in the handling of the car.

 

bro stop freaking out... you want the stress off your shoulders of killing you’re Z, just spend 1k of forged internals an they adding a bit more power won’t be much of an issue! Why do you think 700hp on 370z are nothing but easy.. the weak points of the DEs are the internals. That’s why you need to run forged internals with the HR are gaskets an the proper cooling an support mods an you’ll be good.

 

4 year dead thread.....

 

4 year old thread like Travlee said lol

It costs way more than 1k to add forged internals and build the engine. I'm on my second re-build of my engine and just to freshen things ups when I already have the 'expensive parts' costs almost twice that...