PROOF!!! Normally aspirated mods do almost nothing!!!!!
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Originally posted by Dissolved
Well that changes some things. Didnt know you were sponsored. Very cool. Also, props to you on the SCCA racing. Always wanted to try that. If I had a spare 350z I would
Well that changes some things. Didnt know you were sponsored. Very cool. Also, props to you on the SCCA racing. Always wanted to try that. If I had a spare 350z I would
Thanks for the props....
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This thread is funny.. I stumbled into here looking for something to buy for my brother's 350Z for his b-day. So far, it looks like most of the NA bolt ones are not really worth much. I guess he'll be getting something for his Bronco instead. It was also unexpecting to run into Tim- what a nice surprise!
I have to say this: Tim is an excellent driver. The guy he beat, Chuck, is ALSO an excellent driver, though he was stuck running his beater while his RX7 is being rebuilt.
As for the "running around cones in an empty parking lot" comment. That's not an insult- it's the truth. And I bet Tim's a lot better at it then you are. It's a LOT harder than it looks.
And FYI: there's nothing "half-assed" about his car. It's STUNNING in real life. IMHO, it looks EXCELLENT. And the fact that it's sponsored is ever better.
See you this weekend, Tim?
-David
(ASP #17 Corvette)
I have to say this: Tim is an excellent driver. The guy he beat, Chuck, is ALSO an excellent driver, though he was stuck running his beater while his RX7 is being rebuilt.
As for the "running around cones in an empty parking lot" comment. That's not an insult- it's the truth. And I bet Tim's a lot better at it then you are.
It's a LOT harder than it looks.And FYI: there's nothing "half-assed" about his car. It's STUNNING in real life. IMHO, it looks EXCELLENT. And the fact that it's sponsored is ever better.
See you this weekend, Tim?
-David
(ASP #17 Corvette)
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Originally posted by Umrswimr
This thread is funny.. I stumbled into here looking for something to buy for my brother's 350Z for his b-day. So far, it looks like most of the NA bolt ones are not really worth much. I guess he'll be getting something for his Bronco instead. It was also unexpecting to run into Tim- what a nice surprise!
I have to say this: Tim is an excellent driver. The guy he beat, Chuck, is ALSO an excellent driver, though he was stuck running his beater while his RX7 is being rebuilt.
As for the "running around cones in an empty parking lot" comment. That's not an insult- it's the truth. And I bet Tim's a lot better at it then you are. It's a LOT harder than it looks.
And FYI: there's nothing "half-assed" about his car. It's STUNNING in real life. IMHO, it looks EXCELLENT. And the fact that it's sponsored is ever better.
See you this weekend, Tim?
-David
(ASP #17 Corvette)
This thread is funny.. I stumbled into here looking for something to buy for my brother's 350Z for his b-day. So far, it looks like most of the NA bolt ones are not really worth much. I guess he'll be getting something for his Bronco instead. It was also unexpecting to run into Tim- what a nice surprise!
I have to say this: Tim is an excellent driver. The guy he beat, Chuck, is ALSO an excellent driver, though he was stuck running his beater while his RX7 is being rebuilt.
As for the "running around cones in an empty parking lot" comment. That's not an insult- it's the truth. And I bet Tim's a lot better at it then you are.
It's a LOT harder than it looks.And FYI: there's nothing "half-assed" about his car. It's STUNNING in real life. IMHO, it looks EXCELLENT. And the fact that it's sponsored is ever better.
See you this weekend, Tim?
-David
(ASP #17 Corvette)
Props on your driving David, I know you got Tom Oxners attention in the Porsche and you caused me to look for another class to run
. Thanks for the kind words on my car....it is appreciated.
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Originally posted by Umrswimr
This thread is funny.. I stumbled into here looking for something to buy for my brother's 350Z for his b-day. So far, it looks like most of the NA bolt ones are not really worth much. I guess he'll be getting something for his Bronco instead.
This thread is funny.. I stumbled into here looking for something to buy for my brother's 350Z for his b-day. So far, it looks like most of the NA bolt ones are not really worth much. I guess he'll be getting something for his Bronco instead.
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Originally posted by 350trackz
Not true, best bang for the buck mod is a plenum. Call Doug at Crawford Z (vendor on the board). He'll take care of you and your bro will appreciate it greatly.
Not true, best bang for the buck mod is a plenum. Call Doug at Crawford Z (vendor on the board). He'll take care of you and your bro will appreciate it greatly.
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Originally posted by 350trackz
Not true, best bang for the buck mod is a plenum. Call Doug at Crawford Z (vendor on the board). He'll take care of you and your bro will appreciate it greatly.
Not true, best bang for the buck mod is a plenum. Call Doug at Crawford Z (vendor on the board). He'll take care of you and your bro will appreciate it greatly.
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back to the original post ....i read the article with Z with nismo exaust . headers, cams and CAI only got 10 more hp and ran a 5.8 vs a stock running 5.9.
stock baselined as 239 and the r -tuned was at 249. first off all thats two different cars! i just wish someone on here could rationalize this for me.
ok has anybody seen the road and track speed with the s tune vs the mazdaspeed rx-8. that Z got a 5.5 with 293 hp(i know at the crank) but with a 6 hp increase from the exaust by itself it ran a 5.5 according to SCC mag the s tune with exaust only increased by 4 hp ... sou your saying headers cams and CAI together only help 6 more hp?
my question is dont you guys think a 5.9 is awfully slow # for a Z anyway?
everytime i pass the SCC mag in the store want to spit on it! sorry im just a big nismo fan and those results almost seem like slander!
stock baselined as 239 and the r -tuned was at 249. first off all thats two different cars! i just wish someone on here could rationalize this for me.
ok has anybody seen the road and track speed with the s tune vs the mazdaspeed rx-8. that Z got a 5.5 with 293 hp(i know at the crank) but with a 6 hp increase from the exaust by itself it ran a 5.5 according to SCC mag the s tune with exaust only increased by 4 hp ... sou your saying headers cams and CAI together only help 6 more hp?
my question is dont you guys think a 5.9 is awfully slow # for a Z anyway?
everytime i pass the SCC mag in the store want to spit on it! sorry im just a big nismo fan and those results almost seem like slander!
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Originally posted by Jason@Performance
NISMO R-Tune Package does not include High Flow Cats or Test Pipes of any kind...
You can do as much as you want to your motor and exhaust... but if you keep those stock Cats on you are killing your self... Taking them of of jeffs car and putting on high flow cats after he installed nismo cams / cai / headers etc etc... just changing the cats alone added 18RWHP additional to what he gained with the cams etc...
NISMO R-Tune Package does not include High Flow Cats or Test Pipes of any kind...
You can do as much as you want to your motor and exhaust... but if you keep those stock Cats on you are killing your self... Taking them of of jeffs car and putting on high flow cats after he installed nismo cams / cai / headers etc etc... just changing the cats alone added 18RWHP additional to what he gained with the cams etc...
what type of cats do you suggest? for the one on yourwebsite. are you guys real serious about the off road use or are you just as serious as nismo is a bout their off road use
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Originally posted by mc350z
back to the original post ....i read the article with Z with nismo exaust . headers, cams and CAI only got 10 more hp and ran a 5.8 vs a stock running 5.9.
stock baselined as 239 and the r -tuned was at 249. first off all thats two different cars! i just wish someone on here could rationalize this for me.
ok has anybody seen the road and track speed with the s tune vs the mazdaspeed rx-8. that Z got a 5.5 with 293 hp(i know at the crank) but with a 6 hp increase from the exaust by itself it ran a 5.5 according to SCC mag the s tune with exaust only increased by 4 hp ... sou your saying headers cams and CAI together only help 6 more hp?
my question is dont you guys think a 5.9 is awfully slow # for a Z anyway?
everytime i pass the SCC mag in the store want to spit on it! sorry im just a big nismo fan and those results almost seem like slander!
back to the original post ....i read the article with Z with nismo exaust . headers, cams and CAI only got 10 more hp and ran a 5.8 vs a stock running 5.9.
stock baselined as 239 and the r -tuned was at 249. first off all thats two different cars! i just wish someone on here could rationalize this for me.
ok has anybody seen the road and track speed with the s tune vs the mazdaspeed rx-8. that Z got a 5.5 with 293 hp(i know at the crank) but with a 6 hp increase from the exaust by itself it ran a 5.5 according to SCC mag the s tune with exaust only increased by 4 hp ... sou your saying headers cams and CAI together only help 6 more hp?
my question is dont you guys think a 5.9 is awfully slow # for a Z anyway?
everytime i pass the SCC mag in the store want to spit on it! sorry im just a big nismo fan and those results almost seem like slander!
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Originally posted by mc350z
what type of cats do you suggest? for the one on yourwebsite. are you guys real serious about the off road use or are you just as serious as nismo is a bout their off road use
what type of cats do you suggest? for the one on yourwebsite. are you guys real serious about the off road use or are you just as serious as nismo is a bout their off road use
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Originally posted by Umrswimr
I stumbled into here looking for something to buy for my brother's 350Z for his b-day. So far, it looks like most of the NA bolt ones are not really worth much. I
I stumbled into here looking for something to buy for my brother's 350Z for his b-day. So far, it looks like most of the NA bolt ones are not really worth much. I
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"stock baselined as 239 and the r -tuned was at 249. first off all thats two different cars! i just wish someone on here could rationalize this for me. "
Exactly, every car is different and one can not be compared to the other on a dyno. There are weaker factory engines and there are stronger factory engines. The same mods will yield different results on each. The before and after dyno should be done on the same car the the mods were performed on. It doesn't matter what the factory performance was. The after numbers will illustrate the increase from the mod(s), if any.
The track is a different story.
Exactly, every car is different and one can not be compared to the other on a dyno. There are weaker factory engines and there are stronger factory engines. The same mods will yield different results on each. The before and after dyno should be done on the same car the the mods were performed on. It doesn't matter what the factory performance was. The after numbers will illustrate the increase from the mod(s), if any.
The track is a different story.
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thats what i thought! what did you time it with?
all im saying is with a nismo CAI and exaust working together. i feel an obvious increase in power. just the other day i drove my friends bone stock and i could tell the difference.
as for the octane gas everyone talks about helping it.... i run amoco 93. im not sure if mixing a little 100+ (for track days and autox days) in their would help or not. can anybody shed some light on this?
as for the 5.4 nissan claimed they probably tested them all day and when they got one that did a 5.4 they called it a day
all im saying is with a nismo CAI and exaust working together. i feel an obvious increase in power. just the other day i drove my friends bone stock and i could tell the difference.
as for the octane gas everyone talks about helping it.... i run amoco 93. im not sure if mixing a little 100+ (for track days and autox days) in their would help or not. can anybody shed some light on this?
as for the 5.4 nissan claimed they probably tested them all day and when they got one that did a 5.4 they called it a day
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Used gtechpro. Same gtech I always use, same road, same temperature, same launch. Every variable was the same. See here http://350zforum.com/net/viewmsg.asp...07&words=gtech
Used gtech probably hundreds of times (not all on the Z)
Agree with you on the 5.4
Motor Trend already beat it though with their 5.3 to 60mph.
I use nothing but Sunoco 94 octane.
Used gtech probably hundreds of times (not all on the Z)
Agree with you on the 5.4
Motor Trend already beat it though with their 5.3 to 60mph.
I use nothing but Sunoco 94 octane.
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Originally posted by Umrswimr
How much do those run?
How much do those run?
http://www.crawfordzperformance.com/plenum.htm
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Higher Octane gas will not give you more power.. higher octane allows you to run your engine with more aggressive settings.. more timing, more boost, etc.
Unless you car is being held back due to detonation.. higher octane will not do you anything.
Unless you car is being held back due to detonation.. higher octane will not do you anything.
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Originally posted by mc350z
yeah how do you have a 5.3 to 5.9 range on the same car? im mean in 0-60 times thats a life time
yeah how do you have a 5.3 to 5.9 range on the same car? im mean in 0-60 times thats a life time
I cant believe motor trend squeezed a 13.7 out of the track Z that day. Amazing. Motor trend though, has ALWAYS gotten the best times for performance cars throughout the years. Road and Track and Car and Driver are owned by the same company. They get the worst times. They tested the z32tt at like 14.4 lol
Automotive magazine just sucks. Sport Compact sucks.
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Originally posted by flynnibus
Higher Octane gas will not give you more power.. higher octane allows you to run your engine with more aggressive settings.. more timing, more boost, etc.
Unless you car is being held back due to detonation.. higher octane will not do you anything.
Higher Octane gas will not give you more power.. higher octane allows you to run your engine with more aggressive settings.. more timing, more boost, etc.
Unless you car is being held back due to detonation.. higher octane will not do you anything.
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Too funny, Tim is a great driver, I have seen him in action. The bottom line is that he is sponsored, and that does make a difference cause he gets the parts cheaper than the average buyer. So that equals out the price comparision, and you can just look at it from a performance standpoint. In his position, I would do the exact thing he did, he has a warranty with all of his mods cause of the sponsorship, whereas I wouldn't have a warranty if I bought the same products.
Hate to see this trend become a **** measuring contest, suprised noone got strikes for it from the moderators. It has been said 100 times in this trend, but I will say a familiar opinion. There is not a single Nismo product I would buy, but it is NOT because of the performance of the products, but the price for them and what you are getting. I like the Nismo headers the most, but dwnshift has said on his race car that the Crawfords(which are similar in price) are better.
Either way, you are still trying to get the car to 100% efficiency, and with alot of Nismo parts put together (regardless of price) can get there just as easily as any other parts. Nismo sells products just like anyone else, it is your choice to buy them or not.
Hate to see this trend become a **** measuring contest, suprised noone got strikes for it from the moderators. It has been said 100 times in this trend, but I will say a familiar opinion. There is not a single Nismo product I would buy, but it is NOT because of the performance of the products, but the price for them and what you are getting. I like the Nismo headers the most, but dwnshift has said on his race car that the Crawfords(which are similar in price) are better.
Either way, you are still trying to get the car to 100% efficiency, and with alot of Nismo parts put together (regardless of price) can get there just as easily as any other parts. Nismo sells products just like anyone else, it is your choice to buy them or not.
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