I have had 3 TT Supras in the past 3 years.

They are awesome fuc*ing cars and will deff own another one day.

First off they ar FARRRRRR from cheap to make 600+

My uncles car is a 1994 TT he is the original owner it has only 9500 miles on it.

So his car is liek a brand new TT so it did not need any parts replaced as far as ignition wires, coil packs.

He is making 675 RWHP @ 28 psi

I think he spent 25k to get his from 100% bone stock to 675 RWHP.

He went straight stock to Single turbo no bpu no add a mod here and there.

Now that 25K includes a PHR 2+ Turbo kit PHR Stage 2 Fuel system, Intake mani, Greddy 4-row, Greddy oil cooler, Cam gears, clutch,fly wheel, Fluidyne radiator, AEM Stand alone, HKS Ignition ,FJO Wideband, ect.. no cutting corners.

Now on top of that the car needs race fuel at all times.

Plus the supra does not hook up very well its a real hard car to drive.

As far as the 2JZ-GTE vs. VQ I dont think there will be a motor like the 2JZ-GTE ever again from the factory.

But the VQ is gonna be different once a AEM stand alone comes out for it.

Plus the VQ has got a better torque curve.

As far as 800rwhp " Street " Supras yea they might have full interior ect.... But those cars with 600-800 RWHP are not street cars. Bad hook up problems thats why 600-800 RWHP " Street " Supras run mid 11's. Theres a handful of good drivers and well tuned and good setup 600-800 rwhp supras that are driven on the street that run low 10' high 9's but unfortunately there few and far between.

So to have a Supra make those numbers figure $25k for parts and tunning and $28-35k for a low milage (30-45k miles) 6 speed.

add that together. I'll take my viper in red.

Thats why I sold my Supras too damn expensive and not streetable with 600+hp

 

If the Supra was too much $$$ to make fast, wait until you price mods for the Viper.

(I know folks with Supras from 600 to over 1000 rwhp. Some daily drive them, others don't, but they are all completely streetable.)

 

if your gonna spend an extra $20K -$30K on engine mods, just buy a hybridized VQ engine or one built for racing vs modifying the crap out of this one.

 

Attaining 550rwhp with the supra will cost you under $10K, and it is not so bad to drive on the street. you dont even have to run race fuel or an AEM.. Just go single add some injectors, a fuel system, a wideband and you should be good to go..

but again this was toyota's best motor. Just like nissan has the RB26 and the SR20.

 

Blah Blah Blah.....I like apples and you like oranges. I hate these conversations.

Kyle
SGP Racing

 

Well to make 600-1000 rwhp you need race fuel.

To ME if a car needs race fuel its no longer a " Street " car.

These are just my opinions.

I love Supras will own one again.

 

Your correct you can achieve 500-550 RWHP on the setup you mentioned with pump but it will be very dangerous on pump.

Its not always about peak power its about the power curve. So without the AEM the power band on a car like that would not be good at all.

 

I love the Supra. But it is the past. VQ is the present and future.

Let's move on.

 

Agreed.. 2 different cars 2 different eras...

 

thank you, Lagtime (and SupraTT), for your inclusion of realistic and truthful Supra information. Most people here are valiant internet defenders of their cars and thus most arguments are rarely rooted in reality.

One quick point I want to mention -- I never said anything about the VQ crank. It's my feeling that the stock crank will not hold up to the power levels we've seen out of some of the stock-block Supras. I was simply mentioning aspects of the VQ's engine design that are at least as good if not better than the famed 2JZ. Most people seem to blindly believe that the 2JZ and RB26 are untouchable motors and that anyone can build a 1000 RWHP Supra/Skyline for cheap.

Building the VQ or the 2JZ to that kind of power level is not cheap, but also not difficult. All of the ingredients are there, it just takes the time/money to do it. We will soon see insanely high powered 350Zs, and they will get lots of press, just like the Supras in the magazines now.

Either way, the 1000 RWHP 350Z will be a dyno queen, just like the 1000 RWHP Supra. Honestly, those cars have no business on the street. That kind of power could light up even the best street tires in 6th gear.

Like Kyle from SGP said.. I hate these arguments. Oh well.

 

Thats what I am saying about these " street " cars.

Like I said in my first post my uncles supra is making 675RWHP which is nothing for a 2JZ-GTE and his car spins the tires at 100+ mph on the highway.

But as far as the VQ goes from what I have heard from some one who was one of the best if not the best 2JZ tunners/racers out there is that he will now be using the VQ in his next car.

 

who may that be?

 

I'm not a brand loyal fan boy (although I do love my Supra). I'd love to see big power numbers from the VQ, more choices in cars goinf forward is a good thing.

I have to laugh a bit at your 1000 rwhp comments, as I feel the same. Making the power isn't really the hard part, it's hooking that power up.

If you really want the car to hook you pretty much end up (whether you want to or not) with a straight line machine, since the mods required to plant the tires (and even the tires themselves) end up precluding a good handling/good braking car stable at high speed. So you live with lots of wheelspin if you want to preserve decent handling. This is true of any high powered RWD car, Supra, Viper, Z06, 350Z...

Or you buy an AWD Porsche or GT-R.


SupraTT:

If your building a weekend fun car, IMO race gas is no big deal and well worth the $$$ if you have a small displacement FI motor.

For a daily driver race gas would be out of the question.

 

yeah, there are a lot of dreamers out there who haven't actually experienced that kind of power. Honestly, it's downright scary to hit the throttle and lose traction at highway speeds.

I just moved from Austin, TX.. Supra capitol of the US.. I've met SW, Chris Johnson, etc, etc.. and ridden in at least 10+ Supras over 500 RWHP. Great cars, fast as hell, and scary beyond belief.

 

Your 100% right when I say street car I ment a fast street car that can be driven everyday. My fault for not being specific.

 

Your right I get sick of reading " how much money does it take to make 600 at the wheels" or dumb bull **** like that.

I have a question to everyone that is worried about making 800-900 rwhp. What the hell are you gonna do with that car.

Unless you are a PRO racer and it is ment for race only track use then its a waste of money and you have built a useless car.

A very nice fast street car is 500-550 RWHP anything in the mid to low 11's.

Yes most of the people that talk about this high horsepower stuff probably never drove a car or been in a car that is high hp.

 

I do not think its my place to name names but the team he use to be on was mentioned in this thread.

 

 

There is a drag team that is going to be a new entry this year at Nopi, not sure which one, but they have the info posted on a few sites, they are making 1800rwhp on the Z engine. Just a little fyi there. I think if you build up your engine first, then turbo it, (and make sure you have all the other necessities(sp.?), tranny built up, better cooling, etc.) with proper ECU tuning, you can do 650RWHP on a daily driven 350Z, at least that is my plan.

BTW, they have not released a dyno, so i'll believe that number when I see it.

 

Could it be George, I know he is a consultant on a project that is working on a VQ drag car