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Old 10-27-2004, 02:22 PM
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Question Driveline lash

My Z seems to be suffering from more driveline lash than it used to. It's entirely possible that I'm simply paying more attention to it now than I did when I first got the car, but it sure seems to be worse now. Enough so that it's really bugging me, and can make driving slowly in 1st gear quite difficult to keep smooth.

Are there any known soft points or potentially weak mounts that might've torn? I haven't taken it into the shop to have anything looked at yet. Wanted to post here first to see if there are any known common culprits in the Z.
Old 10-27-2004, 07:05 PM
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same problem here...dont know if its a problem, but it seems to have gotten worse over time
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same here

car is still pretty smooth, but there is more lash as miles add up.

Almost all cars develop some lashing, don't know if Z is out of norm.
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My buddy works at an auto shop here in town, so I'm going to meet up with him one of these days and we're going to go through all the mounts. See if we can't find the serious weak points... or if *all* the mounts are weak. Anyone know if there are some good aftermarket engine mount replacements available for the 350Z? Nothing solid, of course, just something a bit beefier than the (potentially) soft factory pieces.
Old 10-28-2004, 02:08 AM
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I've heard of other mounts, but it'll take me a while to dig up a link. I put in a engine torque damper almost right away because of how much play the motor seems to generate.
Old 10-28-2004, 02:55 AM
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Did the torque damper help?
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Originally posted by zillinois
I've heard of other mounts, but it'll take me a while to dig up a link. I put in a engine torque damper almost right away because of how much play the motor seems to generate.
That's basically a small shock absorber type of thing that mounts between your engine and the frame, right? When you can find the info, I'd be very interested in that. Something like that, or stiffer engine mounts.
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I have not seen stiffer mounts yet....any info?
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Originally posted by jreiter
That's basically a small shock absorber type of thing that mounts between your engine and the frame, right? When you can find the info, I'd be very interested in that. Something like that, or stiffer engine mounts.

Yeah mini shock absorber, you can find them on ebay for like $68. Or there are some big buck ones which look awesome, but probably peform the same the ebay special. My shifter used to flop around so much that I had to do something about it. Plus the torque damper reduces wheel hop because the motor no longer twists the drivetrain as much.

Here's the stillen one available at Performance for $115.



Sorry, I could not find the reference to the stiffer engine mounts. I'm not sure they are needed if you use the torque damper. I haven't given my driveline a single thought since I put it on. I can't believe we got water filled engine mounts, what a bunch of horsesh*t.

You might try these guys, they have made custom mounts for Nissans in the past.

http://www.powertechimports.com/

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Old 10-28-2004, 05:33 PM
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You guys could try out a Guibo that BMW uses. http://e30m3performance.com/installs/installs-2/guibo/

Otherwise look into canning the crappy dual mass flywheel. They seem to wear out too quickly and become loose. Mine now allows the pressure plate to hit the bellhousing.
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Originally posted by zillinois
Yeah mini shock absorber, you can find them on ebay for like $68. Or there are some big buck ones which look awesome, but probably peform the same the ebay special. My shifter used to flop around so much that I had to do something about it. Plus the torque damper reduces wheel hop because the motor no longer twists the drivetrain as much.

Here's the stillen one available at Performance for $115.

available at performance?

I'd like more info on the stillen one, can't find anything on their webiste.

which one do you have? were does it fix to?

I am very interested

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hmm..might have to finally try to reinstall the one 5 Zigen gave me!

We tried a few months ago, but the way they design their bracket, it would not clear the dampener adjustment **** on my coilvers. I recently saw a customers install, and he bolted his damper to his JIC strut brace...wonder if that would be ok?
Old 10-28-2004, 07:08 PM
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Adam,

It's still working with no problems. Just be carefull when adjusting the length beacuse you can over adjust and the driver side headers will start rubbing against the steering column during right turns.

Chris
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thanks for the heads up Chris - I've going to see what I can get accomplished tomorrow.
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So just to clarify this will stop all wheel hop?
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Can anyone post a picture of one of these torque dampers installed?
Old 10-29-2004, 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by zillinois
I can't believe we got water filled engine mounts, what a bunch of horsesh*t.
Water-filled engine mounts? Really? Wow. The VQ35 must be a really, really rough engine for Nissan to want to damp the vibrations *that* much. I can't imagine how the racecars drive. I'm assuming those guys are running solid mounts?
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Originally posted by SR20DEN
Otherwise look into canning the crappy dual mass flywheel. They seem to wear out too quickly and become loose. Mine now allows the pressure plate to hit the bellhousing.
Hehe, check out my sig. I've been running the JWT 14 pound single mass flywheel for a long time.
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Originally posted by mchapman
So just to clarify this will stop all wheel hop?
Reduce wheel hop not eliminate. I would estimate it reduced wheel hop by about 60-70 percent. It will also reduce the amount of movement in the shifter. There is a bit more cabin vibration. Its not obtrusive, but you will notice it.
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Originally posted by Z1 Performance
hmm..might have to finally try to reinstall the one 5 Zigen gave me!

We tried a few months ago, but the way they design their bracket, it would not clear the dampener adjustment **** on my coilvers. I recently saw a customers install, and he bolted his damper to his JIC strut brace...wonder if that would be ok?
That 5zigen one is terrific looking too. But I think it was muy expensive.


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