hey guys, just wanted to let you know that APS is in the process of releasing their kick *** single turbo for the automatic z's of the world after measuring my engine bay yesteday at brainstorm . this kit made something like 380 at the wheels on the manual dynoed the same day so you do the math for the auto. also good news, Robert from APS said they are working on their new plenum complete with injectors... this means that you wont need to beef up your stock ones (which makes carb almost impossible because of cold start) i think, but what it also means is that this system is as i understand it one step from getting a C.A.R.B. number. awesome guys. awesome gains. awesome systems. very impressed.

 

Glad to here the outcome! Hearing numbers like that coming off of the dyno makes me not so upset for having an auto. Got any pics or video? Hope you enjoy it!

 

OK, I'm confused (a common occurance). You say that APS is creating a new plenum complete with injectors, then say that means you don't have to beef up your stock ones. Either you need bigger injectors or you don't. If the new plenum has injectors that are not the stock ones, I would assume they are bigger. Isn't this the same as beefing up your stock ones?

Can you help unscramble my Monday-addled brain by providing more details?

I don't really care as long as the CARB cert shows up and it puts out the same numbers the current kit has. I have just been waiting so long for this that wallowing in the details is the only way I know how to get through it.

Thanks.

 

To be quite honest with you and this is just my opinion, I think most of us who are waiting for that "Magic" CARB EO #" will be waiting for quite some time. Most companies aren't in a hurry to get CARB certified because basically they have 5 or 6 years before 03 year cars need to be smogged. Unless they start out with the premise to get CARB certified like Stillen or JWT, we will be waiting until the end of the grace period for that EO #, and that's not even a garantee. Personally, I think if you want that Turbo or SC kit, buy it, but buy it under the pretense that there will be no EO # for it, otherwise you will be disappointed.

 

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What it also means is that this system is as i understand it one step from getting a C.A.R.B. number

Not to throw reality in the face of optimism but if you follow the C.A.R.B. process threads it is obvious that it takes a long, long time after it's started and the request on this one hasn’t even been made yet.

 

First off, the ST kit has never been slated for a CARB EO, nor could it ever get one IMO, the TT was.

As for the Plenum strategy , more info if known please, The original plan was to use the 500 Bosch's as used in the base TT kit and for "big" fuel needs, the OEMs woiudl be re-used in the new upper Plenum. Has this strategy changed?

 

I believe there's going to be two plenums. One cast normal upgrade plenum (tallboy) and another giant one with the dual injectors (godzilla or some ****).

 

lol I think its gigantor

 

I could only remeber the G so I thought Godzilla sounded good.

 

I dont see how the ST could get CARB approval considering the Cats are gone. Enlighten me.

 

Its still not clear whether/or not there will be something in between:

a) Tallboy "only"

b) Tallboy " with injectors", after all this was suppose to be the reason to delay the Tall boy release to begin with.

c) Gigantor "single / twin TBs" ?

d) ???????????

If APS is watching this thread. Please shed a little light already on your plans?

 

I didn't even think this was possible since you cannot touch the stock cats. That's why there are no hi-flow cats that are carb exempt.

 

from what robert said the main barrier to their getting it carb'd is that you have to get bigger injectors which shoot alot of fuel into the cylinder... the injectors in the plenum would do the same, but would leave the stock in place allowing for a clean cold start... i dont totally understand how it works, but it is the last step in getting it carb'd, i hope this helps...

 

this may be, but by the sound of what he was saying is that this should be the final piece to the puzzle, the the submission and number come. date on the final Eo is up in the air, but at least they are getting closer, that was the point of the thread...

 

you are correct, the ST cannot pass CARB. the TT is in the process...

 

Correct, the APS tall boy plenum will be the first APS plenum offering.

APS tall boy plenum with provision for 6 fuel injectos, this plenum will be part of the APS big fuel system, details to be released in approx 4 to 6 weeks.

This APS Gigantor race manifold should be on display at the 05 SEMA show if the development continues to go to plan - a completely new inlet manifold with twin plenum chambers and designed for very serious big HP high revving VQ engines.

Peter

 

Great to see you here Peter.
I am beginning my "big bang (no pun hopefully)" install in about 4 weeks.
This includes the APS TT kit, forged (9.0CR LB) and lots of other too pricey stuff. So, I'm trying to nail down my future fueling strategy.

If I were to order the APS "Tallboy-only" now, could it be upgraded later to the full "big fuel" solution?

Basically will APS sell an "upgrade kit" for previously aquired Tallboy Plenums??

Will the big fuel solution put the OEM injectors "back into the heads" and the Bosch's (500s) into the Plenum or vise versa?

Any input now may save me labor later.

Thanx


too expensive to mentioned stuf on my G35C.

 

Great to hear, I hope all goes smootly with the engine build and twin turbo install.

In short the answer is no, the APS tall boy plenum does not have provision for the aux injectors. Only the APS plenums sold as part of the APS big fuel system will have the 6 cast injector bosses and the additional machining for the aux fuel injectors. This big fuel system plenum is a different plenum casting to the stock APS tall boy plenum in order to save the unnecessary machining cost associated with mounting the 6 aux fuel injectors.


I will have full tech details on the APS big fuel system in the very near future - I will post these details as soon as I have final information from enginering.

I can say that the APS big fuel system is a very comprehensive and designed to be a serious fuel system for high HP VQ engines, APS tall boy plenum with 6 aux injectors, twin high volume fuel pumps, fuel swirl pot, 4 billet aluminium fuel rails with fuel return, etc,etc.

Thanks

Peter

 

this sounds even hotter this time! lol

 

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